Barry Amsterdam
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Prospect Info: Everything Swedish Part 2
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would be a great line but want valeno in the show. It’s time for him to make that jump imo.
Barry Amsterdam
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he probably could. but i don’t think he’s one we need to rush. If he’s allowed to be the man in GR and get that offensive confidence it can go a long way
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isn't that what SHL was for?
Wait & see approach, then maybe GR start & call up by 20gp in 21-22
OgeeOgelthorpe
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If you think Frolunda is where offense goes to die, just watch the 2019-2020 Grand Rapids Griffins.
As skilled as that line is they'd be forced to play dump and dig hockey by the coach down there.
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Ugghhh. The dreaded dump-n-dig. Dump-n-dig is to good hockey, what Karen is to Smudge.
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I felt like for a few years that was Crosby's office. Or at least one of his offices.
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And hopefully he doesn't end up with dead weight AHL 3rd liners. Mursak is an upgrade over the non-Detroit draftees on the Griffins.
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I can just imagine it:
Coach Simon: "I thought I told you pheasants to dump and chase!"
Lucas Raymond: "But coach, it was a 3 on 1..."
Coach Simon: "That's it! You're benched! (Dominic) Shine! You just got a promotion to the first line!"
I think part of it is on Raymond, he's not very aggressive at all in the SHL. I think it has a lot to do with his skating ability and strength not being good enough yet.
On the other hand, Frolunda's offensive gameplan appears to be dump the puck and hold it on the boards down low for as long as possible. Rarely do they funnel the puck towards the slot/net front. Borderline unwatchable.
Yeah I think Raymond is in the worst situation he could be in at the moment, as you say he is a bit too weak when facing men. But he is very good when he has some open ice.
The problem for Raymond is that Frölundas system is built for grinders, with a lot of board battles. And to make matters worse the coach is giving him the worst type of line-mates. Instead of playing him with players that could help him with the board battles and then work off of his strengths (similarly to how EP40 was treated when he came to Vancouver) he plays with Mursak who has similar strenghts (open ice) and to some extent similar weaknesses as he has...
I've said it before, I feel bad for Raymond, I think he would look better (and help the team more) if he just got some linemates that could compliment him in a better way than Mursak does. (and that goes for Mursak too, he looks much worse than he acutally is at the SHL level when he plays with Raymond).
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My opinion. If Raymond isn't going to be developing his offense in SHL, he should be in the NHL over the AHL. He may need a second to adjust to NA ice, but his defense and board battles abilities are great and aren't going to be a liability like many young players. There aren't really any weaknesses in his game that I think he needs to improve in lower leagues except maybe finishing but he looks very good out there and is just playing with low skilled players. I think the best thing he needs is a confidence boost, one that would be gained by playing him with NHL quality talent that can finish a play. He could easily cut it on the 3rd line + PP and gain that confidence.
I am not usually one to advocate rushing prospects, but I really don't think there would be an issue to getting Raymond on the Wings. His puck possession skills/ zone exits and entries are elite and I can't envision him getting converted into a grinder like some players rushed into the league.
I am not usually one to advocate rushing prospects, but I really don't think there would be an issue to getting Raymond on the Wings. His puck possession skills/ zone exits and entries are elite and I can't envision him getting converted into a grinder like some players rushed into the league.
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I agree with skipping the AHL. I think some skilled players are better suited in the nhl. The ahl just stifles there talent which crushes their confidence. I think zadina puts up the exact same production on the wings that he did with the griffs.
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Roger Ronnberg, the coach of Frolunda, is lauded as a development coach. He was the coach of the last gold winning squad for Sweden at the WJC U20 in 2012. He also coached Frolunda to a championship in 2016.
He's definitely a defensive minded coach, though. Maybe he's the Swedish Barry Trotz?
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Come on guys, if the argument is that he is too weak to physically compete with the men in the SHL and that is why the points aren't coming, then there is absolutely no reason he should be in the NHL. He would be destroyed and at minimum take a hit to his confidence. No, you give him time to add that strength and quickness, keep his confidence high and let him put together a strong season. Then you can bring him over and maybe he goes straight to the NHL.
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It's nothing but good if Frölunda develops us already a great defensive forward. We don't have to develop those flaws in NHL anymore. Skill won't disappear.
People think too much offence-first, are stat-watchers, when determing forwards skill. Raymond is all the time the guy running Frölunda's PP. He is the main man with puck there. He is not forced to play without.
I repeat, skill. won't. disappear.
No, skill won’t disappear, but it can and will stagnate. If he isn’t regularly getting the chance to polish his craft in game action, it’s not getting better. And while he is very skilled, he is not the player today that we drafted him with the hopes of him becoming. He needs to develop, he needs to get better....at everything.
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Thats great for Soderblom and Neiderbach. Im torn about Raymond though, he looks very good out there and just isn't putting up the points. I don't know if leaving him there until he "dominates" is the best idea. What do you think he still needs to develop in the SHL?
r0bert8841
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Do you think he is too weak physically to compete in the SHL? Thats not the impression I get from watching him. If that were the case I would agree with your assessment.
I am not against keeping him in the SHL if hes still developing. I don't think we should keep him there till he learns to dominate just for the sake of dominating.
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We'll see. But if he's ready, he's ready.
Sending a kid who's ready back to GR is a terrible idea.
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