Everything COVID19 - PART 4

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  1. foggyvisor Registered User

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    You're lucky your life isn't the news cycle.
     
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    Yes that I agree with. Actually when I posted my post I didn’t see he did that. My spouse told me about that last night. Pretty sickening to say the least. It really doesn’t surprise me anymore what that mad man does.

    Thugs are thugs and not protestors. My mind won’t change on that. But the United States needs a president. Country is falling apart.
     
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  3. The Lewler GOAT BUDGET AINEC

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    It’s all dialed up to 11 all the time . Race , covid .

    You live in the single best time to be alive ever as a resident of Canada . Of course it can be improved and made more just.

    Canada has racists . Obviously . Let’s identify and fight them.

    Canada does not have a police brutality problem.
     
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    CSNY will have to update their song with new lyrics: "Tin soldiers and a racist, dumber-than-a-bag-of-hammers orange haired moron coming"
     
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    Unfortunately, the First Nations peoples would disagree with that. Perhaps the police here don't outright beat or choke people to death, but they sure don't treat our indigenous peoples with the same respect as city folk.

    We're definitely better than America...but being better than the USA is a pretty low bar to pass. We still need to do better in many areas.
     
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    In my opinion we do. f*** the pigs
     
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    This is how civil wars start. Look at Syria, Yemen, Libya, etc. If you constantly oppress certain peoples of your country or if your corruption becomes overwhelming or if you threaten their democracy, all hell will break loose when people reach their limit.

    Everyone talking about the rioting and looting. So what? You don't expect any backlash? You don't expect a reaction after nothing has changed? I'm surprised they haven't shown up armed yet. But I suppose with the president they have there it's only a matter of time before this turns into a full-fledged street war.
     
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    Here are the questions:

    Is Canada more or less racist than it was 50 years ago ? 25 years ago ?
    Are we progressing in the right direction in your estimation ?

    Do you find agreement or disagreement with claims that “nothing has changed” from decades of peaceful work to advance equality and human rights , and therefore rioting to force the change is justified ?
     
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    I’ll sign that petition all day long!
     
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    Ontario (446) -- Health officials confirmed an additional 446 cases on Tuesday, which is the highest number of new infections in over a week

    I wonder if we are starting to see an uptick from the long weekend
    Only 7 new cases in the total Eastern Region including Ottawa
    We should build a wall around Toronto and get them to pay for it
     
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  11. variable26 Global Matador

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    Just lock the doors of all the condos and apartments that house the selfish millennials? :sarcasm:
     
  12. Cosmix Registered User

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    Neil’s song. Grew up in the ‘Peg.
     
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    To your two Qs:

    1. Less racist, but far from perfect
    2. Yes, heading in the right direction.

    Things have changed. Dylan said so. :)
     
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    Yes, there is still an issue with police brutality, but it is not as bad as it used to be, and far less than in the USA.
     
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    Honestly, after the so called 1% keeps getting bailed out and getting tax cuts left and right, I’m surprised the rioting is not more widespread. There’s some deeply rooted issues in the US, I think the pandemic just accelerated everything. Having everyone cooped up, many millions out of work, watching non-stop doom and gloom news, seeing ANOTHER black man murdered by a cop with no repercussions, a president hellbent on dividing the US population, it was just a matter of time. This started as black lives matter, but it’s going to evolve into something bigger.

    Then, when these protesters hit the streets, they’re met with a militarized police force that seems to be enjoying getting to use a lot of their toys against their fellow citizens.

    I’m sure if you were to count all the damage done by looting and destruction of property, it probably only adds up to a dozen or so of their fancy missiles that they like to indiscriminately drop in the Middle East. The looters represent such small fraction of a percentage of the people in these protest anyway.

    Good luck to our American friends fighting for justice and equality. I think this will be a really tough fight, I hope it wont be for nothing and real change will follow.
     
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    The new direction permitting everyone to get swabbed is likely part of it as well.

    There are likely to be spikes with the relaxing of rules, but this is an expected/mitigated risk, and poses less of a threat to overwhelming the Heath care system in its current state.
     
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    I think this is important as well:

    At least 140 cases related to agricultural and migrant work.

    It wouldn't surprise me if these were people from Latin America where case loads are rising.

    I hope we're providing adequate care. They're doing essential work for the food supply chain.

    But at the same time - this question came up months ago to Trudeau and Ford. How were we going to get labor in for farm crops and planting so they are not impacted by COVID-19? What happened?
     
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  18. Micklebot Moderator

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    The article suggested a good chunk was from agricultural settings:

    A cluster like that can quickly skew the numbers,

    edit: looks like Daxi beat me to it...
     
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    They set up some guidelines for bringing in migrant workers, I guess their guidelines were insufficient, or not followed.
     
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    They are from Mexico and they sat thru a 14 day quarantine upon their arrival in Canada
     
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    Or they were clear when they emerged from quarantine only to have someone catch covid in Canada which quickly spreads in that community given the working conditions and living arrangements
     
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  22. Micklebot Moderator

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    My understanding was the guidelines were intending to keep them at low risk from becoming a cluster while they worked here, not just about insuring they didn't bring in covid19 and become a seed for community spread.

    So 14 day quarintine is great, hopefully there was testing and screening for symptoms on arrival and at least at the end of quarintine. From there they can start working if everyone is cleared, but if they are all being housed in shared accommodations there should have been ongoing measures and mitigation means. Just like how local offices are preping for return to work; closing off shared dining areas, masks if you can't maintain 2 metre social distance, clean high use surfaces frequenly, checkerboard pattern for occupying workspaces ect.
     
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  23. Ed Wood Registered User

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    Evidently you don't get out much.
     
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    What happened there seems like the same thing as what happened with the meat plants and the old age homes.

    One guy gets and bam. Either working conditions or living arrangements. We got examples of both all over the world and for those poor souls it was a combination of perhaps the two worst situations to be in
     
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    Agree but i guess the broader point is we have enough examples of how the virus spreads in similar scenarios that we should probably have it figured out what needs to be in place to do things safely. So, back to my original point, either the guidelines were inadequate or not followed.
     

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