Every Flyers 1st rounder from the 2010s is still with the team

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  1. PDX Flyer

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    It is asinine for people to correlate the draft picks to the performance of the NHL at that time. Obviously they are not going to impact NHL performance right out of their draft year. So many other factors to consider.

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    It wasn’t even the OP’s point about performance....but looking at the current Flyers, these draft picks are the reason why the Flyers are sitting in a playoff spot. And the next ten years are set to be better than the last.
     
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    I'll just throw Buffalo up here since nobody's done it yet. Lots of assets traded out.

    2010: Mark Pysyk (traded to FLA for Kulikov)
    2011: Joel Armia (traded to WPG in Evander Kane deal)
    2012: Grigorenko (traded to COL in O'Reilly deal), Girgensons
    2013: Ristolainen, Zadorov (traded to COL in O'Reilly deal)
    2014: Sam Reinhart
    2015: Eichel; 21st overall traded to OTT for Robin Lehner and David Legwand; 25th overall traded to WPG in Evander Kane deal
    2016: Alex Nylander (traded to CHI for Jokiharju)
    2017: Mittelstadt
    2018: Dahlin
    2019: Dylan Cozens; 29th overall traded to ANA in Montour deal

    Purple = Traded
    Blue = still with organization
     
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    Not sure about other teams and who have the most, but the Flyers have 14 1st rounders on their roster.
     
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    2011 and 2015 picks were home-runs. Trading up to draft Konecny was one of the best trades we made recently. The Carter trade ended up really good too, Couturier + Voracek.
     
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    Laveuglette Le meilleur receveur de passes de tous les temps

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    Actually you could make this fact even crazier : the only Flyers first round pick since 2006 who isn't currently in the organisation is Sbisa.

    2006 : Giroux
    2007 : van Riemsdyk
    2008 : Sbisa
    2009 : nobody (traded for Pronger)

    + the 2010-now list that you have already posted.
     
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    I like that strategy too -- people over-value 1st rounders, which can be traded to plug holes to make a run (provided you can manage the cap implications). But let's not forget that the Pens' real "strategy" was to tank, get 5 top 5 picks, and win a 30-team lottery to get a guy who I'm sure you would promote as a top 10 player all-time (I don't). Without that, they would have won exactly nothing, no matter how much wheeling and dealing they did.
     
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    The exact premise of the thread was that this was a curiosity and not some kind of pat on the back to the Flyers for being amazing at drafting. So "remind me" why you would post such a douchey response? Nevermind. I know why.
     
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    Doing well with the team
    Moved on to another team
    Too early to call
    Bust

    Vancouver

    2010 - None
    2011 - Nicklas Jensen (29) - KHL
    2012 - Brendan Gaunce (26) - Bruins AHL
    2013 - Bo Horvat (9), Hunter Shinkaruk (24) - KHL
    2014 - Jake Virtanen (6), Jared McCann (24) - Penguins
    2015 - Brock Boeser (23)
    2016 - Olli Juolevi (5)
    2017 - Elias Pettersson (5)
    2018 - Quinn Hughes (7)
    2019 - Vasili Podkolzin (10)
     
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    Juolevi is officially busted? Not criticizing or anything - legit didn't know.
     
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    Doing well with the team
    Too early to call
    Bust

    Philadelphia

    2010 - No 1st rounder
    2011 - Couturier
    2012 - Laughton
    2013 - Morin
    2014 - Sanheim
    2015 - Provorov, Konecny
    2016 - Rubtsov
    2017 - Patrick, Frost
    2018 - Farabee, O'Brien
    2019 - York
     
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    In a few years, this may change. But at this point in time, yes. An expectation of a top 5 pick is to make the NHL within a reasonable time frame. This he has already failed to do. Again, this could change down the road, but as of now.
     
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    Doing well with the team
    Too early to call
    Moved on to another team
    Bust

    Winnipeg

    2011: Scheifele
    2012: Trouba (NYR now)
    2013: Morrissey
    2014: Ehlers
    2015: Connor, Roslovic
    2016: Laine, Stanley
    2017: Vesalainen
    2018: [none]
    2019: Heinola
     
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    One simply cant look at any pattern here. Pens had MAF, Malkin, Sid and Stall four years in a row. Flyers drafted and even when they had a high pick like Patrick just wasn't that generational talent. So the best course for them was to bring in as much talent as they could and be deep and out roster teams. But the core simply is not good enough to trade for parts that fill holes. Plus they never brought in the top goalie to win in the playoffs. But with smart management and trades that upgrade a position or two, who knows.
     
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    Doing well with the team
    Too early to call
    Bust

    Toronto

    2011 - Tyler Biggs
    2012 - Morgan Rielly
    2013 - Freddy Gauthier
    2014 - William Nylander
    2015 - Mitch Marner
    2016 - Auston Matthews
    2017 - Timothy Liljegren
    2018 - Rasmus Sandin
     
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    Doing well with the team
    Too early to call
    Moved on to another team
    Bust

    Edmonton

    2010 Tyler Hall
    2011 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
    2012 Nail Yakapov
    2013 Darnell Nurse
    2014 Leon Draisaitl
    2015 Connor McDavid
    2016 Jesse Puljujarvi
    2017 Kailer Yamamoto
    2018 Evan Bouchard
    2019 Philip Broberg
     
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    Lol Patrick had 31 points in 72 games as a 20 year old and now he's a bust? He's battling this migraine thing but to assume he's never going to amount to anything in the NHL already is pretty funny but I guess I should expect you to know much about Philadelphia players when you don't even know how to spell the city.
     
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    Fair to call Morin a bust, although I still think he'll make an impact in the NHL at some point. But Patrick who looked really good towards the end of last year? No chance, dude is having difficulties right now for sure, but hes 21 and has looked good at the NHL level. Rubstov is definitely not a bust yet either.
     
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    The health of Nolan Patrick is very concerning. If these issues continue to hamper or end his career, it would be a tragedy, but also a bust. Though no fault of his own, still.

    Needless to say, if the Flyers had a do-over, they would pick Makar or Pettersson, would they not?

    Besides, just because I label someone a bust today, doesn't mean they automatically still be a bust 3 years down the road. There have been others I have labeled busts who have proven me wrong. (I was glad they did) So don't get too bent out of shape.
     
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    To call someone who has already been successful in the NHL at 19/20 years old, and is 21 today, but debilitated by injury a bust isn't accurate. Nobody is considering that this will end his career, thats just lunacy. He will find ways to work through it. He is skating every day at practice. The Flyers said they expect him back this season. Hindsight is 20/20 and is a weak argument.
     
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    Hopefully, I'm overreacting to his health issues. I hope it's not as ominous I fear it might be. His numbers aren't bad. But his health issues are a concern.
     
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    In tampa's case, its probably a combination of multiple late round picks, and I assume they have traded a few first rounders along the way in the hopes of contending.

    Not necessarily a bad thing, at least on the surface. I dont have the will to dig much deeper, but a lightning fan will probably chime in at some point.
     
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    From 2010 to 2015, I'm guessing the habs had mostly mid round to late round picks, aside from galchenyuk.

    That was probably bad timing for a high pick, as 2012 turned out not to offer much on the earliest of picks.

    Edit: just looked it up. Habs drafted #26, 26, 25, 3, 17, and 22 from 2010-2015
     
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