Every Flyers 1st rounder from the 2010s is still with the team

[TheOtherOne]

Lol... This is like the Anti-Philly model in the op.
It’s funny that the Flyers on one end of the spectrum.. and the Pens on the other...

Current Pens core - 3 Stanley Cups. Philly - Zero. Soooo the ideal strategy becomes clear.... once you get your studs to build your your core around... you fricken utilize those over rated 1st rounders to turn them over for prime roster help to plug holes... then profit.

iwould imagine we see a correlation here where winning organizations will own a lot less of their firsts than rebuilding/mediocre teams.

I basing this primarily from the above example.

Please feel free to confirm or deny... I might learn something.

The strategy is so obvious. Get Crosby and Malkin, then trade your first rounders until they retire!

 

[Curufinwe]

That is an interesting note, for sure. I'm curious what percentage of their salary cap is committed to those players, just to gain the perspective of how much the team has been built around them (which is obviously why they were drafted so high in the first place). If nothing else, it speaks to the belief that the organization has in their scouting and development that they've stuck with them.

If you meant Philly, I can quickly give their contract status after 19-20. Morin (who tore the same ACL twice) and possibly Laughton seem unlikely to be back after 20-21.

2010 - No 1st rounder
2011 - Couturier (2 years left at $4.33m, UFA)
2012 - Laughton (1 year left at $2.3m, UFA)
2013 - Morin (1 year left at $700,000, RFA)
2014 - Sanheim (1 year left at $3.25m, RFA)
2015 - Provorov (5 years left at $6.75m, UFA) , Konecny (5 years left at $5.5m, UFA)
2016 - Rubtsov (2nd year of ELC)
2017 - Patrick (3rd year of ELC), Frost (1st year of ELC)
2018 - Farabee (1st year of ELC), O'Brien
2019 - York

If the Flyers had hit on their 2013 or 2016 first rounders (e.g. took Pulock & Debrincat) then there wouldn't be enough cap space to keep all of them. So to have all your first rounders after almost a decade requires good drafting, but not too good.

 

[The Macho King]

You got Sergachev for Drouin. I am sure no regrets there.

I mean - Seth Jones wouldn't have been a bad consolation prize.

Also turned Koekkoek into Rutta, who is an effective player. Namestnikov was part of the McDonagh trade. DeAngelo turned into Hajek which turned into a piece of the McDonagh trade...

Generally I don't think we've done great with 1st round picks. Obviously made up for it with savvy trading and good picks in later rounds, though. And for some reason, when a third rounder breaks out they're a lot cheaper than if a first rounder breaks out.

 

[Curufinwe]

Point and Cirelli seem like pretty good picks, yeah.

 

[The Macho King]

Point and Cirelli seem like pretty good picks, yeah.

 

[Mitch nylander]

Toronto
2010 - None
2011 - Tyler Biggs (Barely Cracked the A), Stuart Percy (bouncing between ahl Teams)
2012 - Morgan Rielly (here) - 72 point season last year
2013 - Freddy Gauthier (Here) - Adequate 4c
2014 - William Nylander - 1st line winger on pace for 30+ goals 70+ points
2015 - Mitch Marner - 1st line winger on pace for back to back 90 point seasons
2016 - Auston Matthews - Elite Center on pace for 50+ goals 95 points
2017 - Timothy Liljegren - Tracking well, currently with the leafs
2018 - Rasmus Sandin - Excellent prospect, currently performing great with the leafs.
2019 - none

Overall, it has been up and down. Horrific drafting under Burke, with Rielly being his only good pick. Nylander at 8 was a good pick considering the picks ahead, lucked out with top 4 picks in back to back following drafts, had a solid pick at 17 with liljegren and a steal at 28 with sandin.

I think what is impressive with our drafting has been our late round picks.
Johnsson 7th round, Engvall 7th round, Connor Brown 6th round, Timashov in the 5th and etc.

 

[powerbomb]

If you meant Philly, I can quickly give their contract status after 19-20. Morin (who tore the same ACL twice) and possibly Laughton seem unlikely to be back after 20-21.

2010 - No 1st rounder
2011 - Couturier (2 years left at $4.33m, UFA)
2012 - Laughton (1 year left at $2.3m, UFA)
2013 - Morin (1 year left at $700,000, RFA)
2014 - Sanheim (1 year left at $3.25m, RFA)
2015 - Provorov (5 years left at $6.75m, UFA) , Konecny (5 years left at $5.5m, UFA)
2016 - Rubtsov (2nd year of ELC)
2017 - Patrick (3rd year of ELC), Frost (1st year of ELC)
2018 - Farabee (1st year of ELC), O'Brien
2019 - York

If the Flyers had hit on their 2013 or 2016 first rounders (e.g. took Pulock & Debrincat) then there wouldn't be enough cap space to keep all of them. So to have all your first rounders after almost a decade requires good drafting, but not too good.

I think that's why this is a surprising fact you've brought up. While I knew there'd be a few on entry-level contracts, you tend to expect first round talent to command big money so it becomes a balancing act. Eventually organizations have to make those tough decisions about who to move just because they're due a payday. It's why GMs (and their successors) sometimes have to be brave and non-sentimental to move an otherwise popular player when their value is still high to keep the budget in check. I'm sure this is a rare achievement of sorts, especially in this era.

Good thread.

 

[GAGLine]

Which team has the most 1st rounders on their current roster? The Rangers currently have 11, but it was 13 at the beginning of the season, before Andersson got demoted and Namestnikov got traded.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

Avs...

• Joey Hishon ('10) -- murdered by Brayden McNabb, RIP
• Gabe Landeskog ('11) -- 3rd line grinder extraordinaire
• Duncan Siemens ('11) -- creepiest player pictures in league history
• Traded for Varly ('12)
• Nate MacK ('13) -- Enough said
• Connor Bleackley ('14) -- The only 1st round pick from 2014 to not play in the NHL, le sigh
• Mikko "The Moose" Rantanen ('15) -- Pay dirt struck here
• Tyson Jost ('16) -- Won't be around long
• Cale Makar ('17) -- Wunderkid with rosy cheeks
• Martin Kaut ('18) -- Might stick somewhere around the 3rd line one day
• Bowen Byram ('19) -- HFBoards unanimous bust
• Alex Newhook ('19) -- HFBoards unanimously desired trade asset

Not too bad, 2 straight busts in Siemens / Bleacks and one guy KO'd before he had a real shot.

Don't look at the Avs history after the 1st round, it doesn't exist.

 

[Pavels Dog]

This isn't necessarily a good or a bad thing, but I think it must be quite rare. Are there any other NHL teams who still have all their 1st round picks somewhere in the organization?

2010 - No 1st rounder
2011 - Couturier
2012 - Laughton
2013 - Morin
2014 - Sanheim
2015 - Provorov, Konecny
2016 - Rubtsov
2017 - Patrick, Frost
2018 - Farabee, O'Brien
2019 - York

Solid result.

But also.. kinda mediocre? It's like a picture of their entire decade.

 

[Curufinwe]

Damn, getting called out for a mediocre decade by a Detroit fan is rough.

Duncan Siemens ('11) -- creepiest player pictures in league history

Allegedly, the Flyers were going to take Siemens at #8 until Couturier fell.

 

[VanIsle]

Bruins

2010 - Seguin (Dallas)
2011 - Hamilton (Carolina)
2012 - Subban (Vegas)
2014 - Pastrnak (Here)
2015 - DeBrusk (Here), Zboril/Senyshyn (in the system)
2016 - McAvoy (Here), Frederick (in system)
2017 - Vaakanainen (system)
2019 - Beecher (system)

3 Currently playing on Bruins
3 Playing on other teams
5 in the system

All in all terrific drafting

 

[thethinglonger]

Devils

2010 - No 1st round pick (used in the Kovalchuk trade)
2011 - Adam Larsson
2012 - Stefan Matteau
2013 - No 1st round pick (traded for Cory Schneider)
2014 - John Quenneville (picked 30th for the Kovalchuk penalty)
2015 - Pavel Zacha
2016 - Michael McLeod (Still in the AHL)
2017 - Nico Hischier
2018 - Ty Smith (Still in the WHL)
2019 - Jack Hughes

No longer in the NHL/AHL
Plays with another NHL/AHL team
In New Jersey's system

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Pretty cool that a mediocre team has all their mediocre 1st round picks on their team still.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Damn, getting called out for a mediocre decade by a Detroit fan is rough.

Well tbh Wings have made the playoffs more times than the Flyers have this decade.. Flyers also had two top 10 picks and a #11 pick during the first half of the decade when the Wings never drafted higher than 15th.
I really like the Wings 1st round results all in all since 2013 onwards. But of course it's still early for guys like Zadina, Seider, Veleno, Rasmussen.

 

[Curufinwe]

NHL.com Stats

 

[Rich Nixon]

Well tbh Wings have made the playoffs more times than the Flyers have this decade.. Flyers also had two top 10 picks and a #11 pick during the first half of the decade when the Wings never drafted higher than 15th.

Um? They traded for one of those top 10s and the other they jumped 11 teams thanks to a lottery ball. They got "lucky" in a year where #2 was Nolan Patrick, rather than like a Malkin or Eichel or something.

2010: N/A (traded; original pick was #29)
2011: #8 (via trade; original pick was #25)
2012: #20
2013: #11
2014: #14
2015: #7 and #24 (via trade)
2016: #22 (via trade, original pick was #18)
2017: #2 (via lottery; original pick was #14)
2018: #19
2019: #14 (via trade; original pick was #11)

All over the place, but there was only one bottom-10 (or top 10, in draft terms) finish in that whole decade--that produced the Provorov selection in 2015. Some phenomenal franchise cornerstones in that mix, and also just some guys.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

They are still kind of in no man's land imo. Very average. May squeak into the postseason. But ultimately will do no damage.

They're 10th in the NHL. Above average.

While losing Nolan Patrick the whole year and Oskar Lindblom for much of it.

Give us credit.

 

[nbwingsfan]

I think it's awesome all your 1st round players "panned out". Your team is definitely good at drafting!

I don't know if it's rarer to have a team like Montreal whose 1st round picks are a complete ****show. Just take a look at this ****:

2010 - Jarred Tinordi
2011 - Nathan Beaulieu
2012 - Alex Galchenyuk
2013 - Michael McCarron
2014 - Nikita Scherbak
2015 - Noah Juulsen (always injured)
2016 - Mikhail Sergachev
2017 - Ryan Poehling (2 points in 27 games!!!)
2018 - Jesperi Kotkaniemi (8 points in 36 games!!!)
2019 - Cole Caufield

Red indicates player is no longer with Montreal
Purple indicates player is playing in AHL
Blue indicates player is playing in NCAA

How many of these fine 1st round picks play with Montreal in the NHL? None.

Ladies and gentlemen, Trevor Timmins and Marc Bergevin - Bicep Bros!

Who needs scouting when you can just do bicep curls all day, right?

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Could have bucked up and traded a first rounder+ to target a good one.

Has that worked out for anyone?

Only one I'm thinking of off the top of my head is Schneider and that didn't work.

 

[Hockeyholic]

They're 10th in the NHL. Above average.

While losing Nolan Patrick the whole year and Oskar Lindblom for much of it.

Give us credit.

They haven't been considered cup contenders since the Devils slapped them around in 2012. They are just kind of...there sometimes.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

They haven't been considered cup contenders since the Devils slapped them around in 2012. They are just kind of...there sometimes.

Can we talk about your avatar for a second?

 

[Hockeyholic]

Can we talk about your avatar for a second?

There's not much to discuss. I couldn't find anything better. Lol.

 

[Ceremony]

There's not much to discuss. I couldn't find anything better. Lol.

Do you work in the Habs' management group?

 

[Hockeyholic]

Do you work in the Habs' management group?

No? Lol