Discussion in 'National Hockey League Talk' started by Curufinwe, Feb 11, 2020.
It is a fantastic thing. Its good development.
flyers have always been good in the 1st round but this has to be the best 1st round drafting of the decade. at least one great player from every year
"No pick" is basically synonymous with, team that went for it that year.
There's a big difference between drafting poorly in the 1st and not having the picks.
The Kings traded a lot of 1sts for Cups, the 12'-16' years have hurt them badly. Was it worth it, sure, but it came at a future cost.They did pretty well with 2nds and 3rds instead, but even so, not every 1st rounder turns out to be great for any team. Had they kept those picks, especially 15' and 16', the guys who were there in those draft would be major impact players for them today and a second wave that doesn't exist with the current roster. They really traded themselves into the blackhole.
Lol... This is like the Anti-Philly model in the op.
It’s funny that the Flyers on one end of the spectrum.. and the Pens on the other...
Current Pens core - 3 Stanley Cups. Philly - Zero. Soooo the ideal strategy becomes clear.... once you get your studs to build your your core around... you fricken utilize those over rated 1st rounders to turn them over for prime roster help to plug holes... then profit.
iwould imagine we see a correlation here where winning organizations will own a lot less of their firsts than rebuilding/mediocre teams.
I basing this primarily from the above example.
Please feel free to confirm or deny... I might learn something.
I don't get how so many people are triggered on a thread about long term draft outcomes on a board literally stemming from a site called hockey's future.
Obviously this speaks volumes about Philly's ability to draft, develop and even eventually turn those ELCs into sustainable contracts. Yes other teams had different priorities for their picks or routinely pick in the gutter or whatever. Why bring it up in this thread?
Not completely true. The two teams are pretty non comparable. Pittsburgh is notorious for developing players through their system who were essentially nobodies like Guentzel and Marino just to name a few. They should be given a ton of credit for that as it gives them a huge advantage. This is before you throw in the fact that they have had 2 generational talents.
You can’t doubt the talent the Flyers have drafted in the first round even if you compare it to the 6 first rounders that the Penguins have had in that same time period.
There’s been plenty of other reasons the Flyers have won jack **** such as goaltending, coaching, etc. Drafting is certainly not one of them.
Could have bucked up and traded a first rounder+ to target a good one.
They traded 3 straight first rounders when they were contenders. 2 of those to acquire Pronger.
The Flyers have been stuck in mediocrity for years so it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to continue to trade first rounders.
That was kind of my suggestion tho - That maybe make an aggressive move for a big piece that would plug a pre existing hole to help break the cycle of mediocrity.
Lol the Pens don’t have any first round picks over the last decade on the team.
They have the 10th best record in the league, but that's not what this thread is about.
The Jets have won two playoff series this decade so maybe they aren't good at drafting?
2012: Trouba (NYR now)
2015: Connor, Roslovic
2016: Laine, Stanley
No, clearly that a ridiculous thing to claim. Because building a successful team is about a lot more than just drafting. You'd have to be some kind of moron to not understand that.
i think that really came out back to haunt us, especially passing on carlson for a bad defenseman, i just want to jump off bridge over that one and another thing in 09 draft we could have drafted orlov.
The drafting has been great but it has not really lead to any playoff success.
Very impressive! Thank you, op!!
2010 - Niederreiter - traded to MIN, on CAR
2011 - Strome - traded to EDM, on NYR
2012 - Reinhart - traded to EDM, not in NHL
2013 - Pulock - Islanders #1D
2014 - Dal Colle - Islanders 3rd Line wing, Ho-Sang - in AHL
2015 - Barzal - Islanders 1C, Beauvillier - Islanders top6 wing
2016 - Bellows - on Islanders
2017 - No 1st
2018 - Wahlstrom - in AHL, Dobson - on Islanders
2019 - Holmstrom - in AHL
Got much better after 2012
The Jets have done a much better job at drafting than the Flyers. The problem with the Jets is that Chevy sat on his hands for a decade and did literally nothing else. I guess the Flyers are following that model.
what does (should?) it all mean?
Michael Dal Colle
Josh Ho Sang
These 2010s NYI first round picks are still with the organization, but no, that's not all of them.
But 10 is a lot.
Leafs are close
2010 - traded pre draft
2011 - traded pre draft
2012 - Rielly
2013 - Gauthier
2014 - Nylander
2015 - Marner
2016 - Matthews
2017 - Liljegren
2018 - Sandin
All of them are on the roster except for traded and Rielly who is injured.
2010 Johansen - traded for Seth Jones
2011 none - Carter trade
2013 Wennberg, Rychel (bust who was traded for Harrington), Dano (back in the organization after being part of Saad trade)
2017 none - traded to Vegas as part of expansion draft
2019 none - Duchene trade
That is an interesting note, for sure. I'm curious what percentage of their salary cap is committed to those players, just to gain the perspective of how much the team has been built around them (which is obviously why they were drafted so high in the first place). If nothing else, it speaks to the belief that the organization has in their scouting and development that they've stuck with them.
In a perfect world draft success would lead to good things. Many advantages in having development and contractual control over the roster. In the end, winning cups and sustaining cup relevancy is about roster management once the core is there. Flyers just never had the core talent to build around to win cups. Really only three teams had that in the last 20 years, Pens, Hawks and Wings. Boston is close and maybe the ducks or sharks.
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