Europe should put a division in NHL
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Chimpradamus
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That championship league is a joke that no one cares about.
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Season tickets of my FEL team cost roughly the same as one ticket for that Global Series game. (Not even kidding; you can be a STH for $250. If you want a seat, then it's $450 though.)
This will never be a feasible idea - not even if someone invents a teleport.
This will never be a feasible idea - not even if someone invents a teleport.
They already have to carve up the schedules to do one Sweden/Finland game for just 2 teams. Trying to send every team overseas several times would be a scheduling and travel nightmare. Won’t work.
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Private jets on the other hand have range limitations. 19 seat large business jets have max range of around 5000km. The actual flight route would be Stockholm-Iceland(refuel)-Ontario(Refuel)-Rest of US.
Concorde costs upwards of 47k per flight hour for fuel. Standard 737 costs 2300usd/h. One flight from LA-Stockholm would cost 0.2million in just the fuel.
The most relevant option should be an NHL owned private 737 with private business layout. They fly 900km/h and have 18000km range, making the flight from LA-Stockholm(9000km) in 10hours without refuel.
Summary:
1. private jet: Slow, Needs 2 refueling stops, seats 19 people.
2. Concorde costs 0.4million USD for LA-Stockholm-LA round trip taking 3.8 hours.
3. 737 standard airlines takes 10hours to make the flight.
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Nordiques1979
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Logistically speaking? Very hard to do. Or maybe this "euro division" would only face each others, and start to face US/CA teams during playoff time, but even there it wouldn't be possible to have a full 82 games for the euro teams.
KHL teams have a lot of travel hours to face each others, city like Paris is only 7 hours away from NY/ Canada east coast, so maybe not so unfaisable, but very undoubtedly. Only pretenders could be cities like Helsinki, Goteborg, Berlin, Zurich...
KHL teams have a lot of travel hours to face each others, city like Paris is only 7 hours away from NY/ Canada east coast, so maybe not so unfaisable, but very undoubtedly. Only pretenders could be cities like Helsinki, Goteborg, Berlin, Zurich...
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I think it could work, with some very creative thinking on the NHL's part. Either they, or the NBA, should get on it. Ironically, the word "National" we become even less fitting of a term, but how do you change such a historic, iconic brand, especially in the case of the NHL? I don't see that for a team on the Eastern seaboard that a European road trip would be that much worse than a West coast trip, assuming that Russia doesn't have a team. European trips for a West coast team would be a bear, though.
I'm thinking of a London team, Swiss, German, Finn, Swede, Czech?, Slovak?, Paris...is there any appetite in France for hockey? Russia, of course, but that's a LONG way.
I'm thinking of a London team, Swiss, German, Finn, Swede, Czech?, Slovak?, Paris...is there any appetite in France for hockey? Russia, of course, but that's a LONG way.
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It has more to do with the fact that this idea is totally impossible logistically speaking, more so than North American fans not wanting to "share" or have a league exclusive to North America.
One thing to remember, is that a European conference would be under European laws
A Belgian third division footballer named Bosman would say hello. All players at expiration of contract would be UFA. All of them. Theres no way the Stockholm Stingers could re-sign their star player when the Flyers, Rangers and co would propose max salary.
One small detail would also be that you can’t trade players against their will.
For example if Real Madrid would want to send someone to Glasgow Rangers - if the player doesnt want to go, they need to $weeten the proposition of life in Glasgow.
NHL would have an easier job of opening a Russian division, as their there are no such legal issues. However, Vladimir won't like that
A Belgian third division footballer named Bosman would say hello. All players at expiration of contract would be UFA. All of them. Theres no way the Stockholm Stingers could re-sign their star player when the Flyers, Rangers and co would propose max salary.
One small detail would also be that you can’t trade players against their will.
For example if Real Madrid would want to send someone to Glasgow Rangers - if the player doesnt want to go, they need to $weeten the proposition of life in Glasgow.
NHL would have an easier job of opening a Russian division, as their there are no such legal issues. However, Vladimir won't like that
Honest M
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Would be possible with teems in Sweden Finland, Norway Denmark, Germany, Swiss, Austria . Could be like 12 teems playing in a separat division, short fast travel routes and big markets.
But i doubt that existing teems could jump ship from existing leagues to form a new division/league, and create new teems and compete with existing leagues would probably not be possible.
But i doubt that existing teems could jump ship from existing leagues to form a new division/league, and create new teems and compete with existing leagues would probably not be possible.
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You’d have to remove trades, salary cap, rfa and probably a lot of other stuff as well that would go against european law.
Here in Sweden the interest in hockey isn’t great. I guess Gothenburg would be an option but other than that it’s a countryside sport. The same club that had over 50 000 people attending a soccer game last weekend struggles to get more than a couple of thousand attendees to their hockey team.
Maybe Malmö/Copenhagen if there could be a rivalry. I really don’t think there’s a place in Sweden where you’d have 10 000 people showing up for 41 games.
Here in Sweden the interest in hockey isn’t great. I guess Gothenburg would be an option but other than that it’s a countryside sport. The same club that had over 50 000 people attending a soccer game last weekend struggles to get more than a couple of thousand attendees to their hockey team.
Maybe Malmö/Copenhagen if there could be a rivalry. I really don’t think there’s a place in Sweden where you’d have 10 000 people showing up for 41 games.
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If we had supersonic passenger jets, then yes this would make sense. As it stands the travel would be terrible.
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Contrary to what some people suggest, the logistical aspects (time zones, long trips, fatigue, etc...) aren't the main issue to getting hockey across the ocean. Money. This thing is going to happen when and if, and only when and if, an entity figures out it can make tons of bucks with it. And then it will/would happen.
So, if establishing a super league worldwide is about money, a European league is an incomplete idea. People are thinking in terms of hockey history, so they're thinking Fedorov, Salming, Forsberg, etc... they're thinking Europe. With the way the world looks right now, this thing needs Asia.
I can't see any project like that be a possibility within the next two decades. The NHL needs to continue developing interest in Asia and go from there.
So, if establishing a super league worldwide is about money, a European league is an incomplete idea. People are thinking in terms of hockey history, so they're thinking Fedorov, Salming, Forsberg, etc... they're thinking Europe. With the way the world looks right now, this thing needs Asia.
I can't see any project like that be a possibility within the next two decades. The NHL needs to continue developing interest in Asia and go from there.
uuuum thanks but no. this implies the leagues are equivalent.
there is a reason why the stanley cup winners don't mop the floor with the team that wins the calder cup or gargarin cup. winning the stanley cup means you are the best team in the world.
The NHL need to continue to develop hockey in asia in a market it knows that it will likely never EVER see a ROI on ?
The NHL is a private league. it doesnt fall on them to develop international hockey if its not economically beneficial to them. And its would not be, not now not ever.
The NHL could save a whole lot of trouble if it just piled up a bunch of cash and lit it on fire.
People who think this will work are seriously underestimating European domestic leagues support. In Finland he have an example of a team, Jokerit which went to play in superior league but lost most fans doing so. We have our own rivalries and fans definitely want to keep them and I believe same would apply to Sweden, Czech, Switzerland etc.
New team could maybe get some attention at the beginning but when majority of hockey fans already have their favorite team in their domestic leagues and some of us who follow NHL more closely have our team in the league there probably wouldn't be that much of attraction unless team is a contender right away.
New team could maybe get some attention at the beginning but when majority of hockey fans already have their favorite team in their domestic leagues and some of us who follow NHL more closely have our team in the league there probably wouldn't be that much of attraction unless team is a contender right away.
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Apparently it does - for you. The comment was moronic, completely moronic, and you you're standing by it. That says a lot.
