News Article: Eugene Melnyk lawsuits:too many to count...

[BatherSeason]

Not sure if its been posted yet:

Bagnall: Melnyk giving no ground in suit over gambling debt

 

[Tighthead]

http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/DocumentInquiry/DocumentInquiry.aspx?DocumentNo=18167076

Special defences start at page 6. Not much meat on the bone but it doesn't cost anything to plead.

Interestingly enough because this took place on tribal territory, the Plaintiff is pleading tribal law applies.

 

[IceNeophyte]

Not sure if its been posted yet:

Bagnall: Melnyk giving no ground in suit over gambling debt

So Melnyk wen to the Bill Clinton Academy of Litigation, I see.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/DocumentInquiry/DocumentInquiry.aspx?DocumentNo=18167076

Special defences start at page 6. Not much meat on the bone but it doesn't cost anything to plead.

Interestingly enough because this took place on tribal territory, the Plaintiff is pleading tribal law applies.

Plaintiff’s is estopped in whole or in part from asserting its claim due to its waiver, in failing to ensure that Defendant’s credit account information was up to date before issuing 7 credit and/or in failing to present the drafts for payment for over five months, causing them to become stale.

 

[Tighthead]

Plaintiff’s is estopped in whole or in part from asserting its claim due to its waiver, in failing to ensure that Defendant’s credit account information was up to date before issuing 7 credit and/or in failing to present the drafts for payment for over five months, causing them to become stale.

Translation:

You shouldn't have lent my broke self that money and you should have rushed those cheques to the bank before the ink was dry.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Translation:

You shouldn't have lent my broke self that money and you should have rushed those cheques to the bank before the ink was dry.

It should be very entertaining to see this close out in court next month. I can't see him winning at all.

 

[IceNeophyte]

Plaintiff’s is estopped in whole or in part from asserting its claim due to its waiver, in failing to ensure that Defendant’s credit account information was up to date before issuing 7 credit and/or in failing to present the drafts for payment for over five months, causing them to become stale.

Posting a check at a stale date, if that's even what happened, does not dismiss a debt.

Additionally, as will come out in court, marker checks for established players are routinely not deposited. Typically, the player repays the marker via wire transfer or other means in lieu of the check being deposited. Casinos routinely give players 6 months or longer to repay a marker before depositing it, so five months isn't out of the ordinary.

The casino's mistake was lending money to this piece of slime. That he's a piece of slime doesn't render him clear of his debt.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Posting a check at a stale date, if that's even what happened, does not dismiss a debt.

True, but you should maybe read the thread in it's entirety to get a better picture of what is presumed to have transpired.

These are not normal cheques, but more rather like a bank draft.

 

[IceNeophyte]

True, but you should maybe read the thread in it's entirety to get a better picture of what is presumed to have transpired.

These are not normal cheques, but more rather like a bank draft.

I know how markers worked, I worked in casino finance and accounting for 30 years. They are actually more like a counter check. They have the player's bank routing number and account number and function exactly like a check out of your checkbook when deposited. As I mentioned above, these markers are paid in other ways more often than they are actually deposited. Defendants lose these collection cases as close to 10 out of 10 times as you can get.

Oh, and also, "presumed to have transpired" is a very poor choice of words. Nit picking I know, but things like "The big bad casino wouldn't let defendant cash out when he was ahead" is not a presumption, it's a highly specious accusation by a dude who doesn't want to pay for his losses.

Casinos don't twist players' arms and make them keep gambling. You wanna cash, we'll walk you to the cage and send you to the airport in a limo, on us. You'll be back, and game math will eventually get us that money back and more. Likewise, they aren't going to threaten your family to get you to take out a marker. Your own greed will make that happen.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

I know how markers worked, I worked in casino finance and accounting for 30 years. They are actually more like a counter check. They have the player's bank routing number and account number and function exactly like a check out of your checkbook when deposited. As I mentioned above, these markers are paid in other ways more often than they are actually deposited. Defendants lose these collection cases as close to 10 out of 10 times as you can get.

Okay, so there sure is something up with this case.

Why waste $$$ on lawyers?

For the 1 guy out of 100 who wins these cases, what is the secret?

Maybe EM is stalling for time again?

 

[IceNeophyte]

Okay, so there sure is something up with this case.

Why waste $$$ on lawyers?

For the 1 guy out of 100 who wins these cases, what is the secret?

Maybe EM is stalling for time again?

Frankly, I think it's hubris that has him spending 100s of ks on lawyers instead of just paying his debt. I don't think there's any debate that he's stuffed with arrogance.

 

[Sensfan4life]

Not sure if its been posted yet:

Bagnall: Melnyk giving no ground in suit over gambling debt

Do you think Melnyk has Bagnall on retainer?

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Frankly, I think it's hubris that has him spending 100s of ks on lawyers instead of just paying his debt. I don't think there's any debate that he's stuffed with arrogance.

We already know that... but being a cheap guy, why waste the money?

 

[IceNeophyte]

We already know that... but being a cheap guy, why waste the money?

Because it's a game for him to beat them.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Frankly, I think it's hubris that has him spending 100s of ks on lawyers instead of just paying his debt. I don't think there's any debate that he's stuffed with arrogance.

History of character would strongly suggest this is the case, it's foolish to expect anything logical from someone who seemingly posses none.

 

[Micklebot]

True, but you should maybe read the thread in it's entirety to get a better picture of what is presumed to have transpired.

These are not normal cheques, but more rather like a bank draft.

No, I think they were initially mistakenly identified as bank drafts. When you look at the scans in the links a few pages back, it's not a bank employee or officer signing the cheques, it's Melnyk. These are just regular cheques from what I can tell.

 

[Tighthead]

True, but you should maybe read the thread in it's entirety to get a better picture of what is presumed to have transpired.

These are not normal cheques, but more rather like a bank draft.

They are normal cheques. They are called drafts in the pleadings to comply with statutory terms.

 

[Sensfan4life]

Any updates on the numerous lawsuits?

 

[Tighthead]

Any updates on the numerous lawsuits?

On the casino matter the Plaintiffs are pushing it with all possible haste, and Melnyk is resisting the accelerated timetable at every opportunity.

I wouldn’t be shocked that if he loses he won’t pay willingly. Watch for seizures and garnishment.

 

[Tighthead]

http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/DocumentInquiry/DocumentInquiry.aspx?DocumentNo=18217227


Plaintiffs have retained a handwriting expert who opines that Melnyk signed the drafts.

 

[Micklebot]

http://civilinquiry.jud.ct.gov/DocumentInquiry/DocumentInquiry.aspx?DocumentNo=18217227


Plaintiffs have retained a handwriting expert who opines that Melnyk signed the drafts.

Wait a second... so Melnyk's middle name is Nestor?

 

[Tighthead]

Wait a second... so Melnyk's middle name is Nestor?

Not so fast. He may be denying that as well.

His entire defence could be existential.

 

[The Lewler]

I’m a simple man , I see this thread near the top of the board , I click.

And enjoy the ride every time

 

[BonkTastic]

Not so fast. He may be denying that as well.

... Except to say that his middle name is Nester.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I’m a simple man , I see this thread near the top of the board , I click.

And enjoy the ride every time

If only Eugene was a simple man. Then he'd know better to get himself into this casino mess...

"Forget your lust for the rich man's gold
All that you need is in your soul
And you can do this, oh baby, if you try
All that I want for you, my son, is to be satisfied"