Management Eugene Melnyk -Lawsuits, rants, and more...

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Also to be noted why we may never hear anything for a looooooong while:

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After the bullshit Melnyk put their group through, I don’t think you will see Ruddy settle for anything that doesn’t include public embarrassment and humiliation for Eugene.

 

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After the bullshit Melnyk put their group through, I don’t think you will see Ruddy settle for anything that doesn’t include public embarrassment and humiliation for Eugene.

I doubt that... In my opinion this probably gets settled out of court and will certainly have non disclosure written in to protect both sides from "humiliation".

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Athletic Sens Fan Survey

 

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Athletic Sens Fan Survey
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What about couch potato Sens fans?

 

[Sensung]

Athletic Sens Fan Survey
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Did they ask how many Sens fans would attend more games with new ownership?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Did they ask how many Sens fans would attend more games with new ownership?

Don't think so .. but .. they did have one question

More than 500 respondents rated their confidence in the owner at 1
17. How motivated are you to buy tickets for next season?

24. Complete this sentence: My biggest frustration with the Senators is:

Unsurprisingly, the most popular answer to this question revolved around some version of “ownership,” and “downtown arena.”
Some answers included:
“Cody ceci, oh wait nvm. Rink location.”
“Cyclically losing/trading elite talent.”
“Fear that we are the NHL equivalent of the Expos. Draft and develop talent then watch it leave.”

 

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Don't think so .. but .. they did have one question
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More than 500 respondents rated their confidence in the owner at 1
17. How motivated are you to buy tickets for next season?

24. Complete this sentence: My biggest frustration with the Senators is:

Unsurprisingly, the most popular answer to this question revolved around some version of “ownership,” and “downtown arena.”
Some answers included:
“Cody ceci, oh wait nvm. Rink location.”
“Cyclically losing/trading elite talent.”
“Fear that we are the NHL equivalent of the Expos. Draft and develop talent then watch it leave.”

Stupid fans... the best thing we did was let talent leave... Ask SJ or Colombus.

I don’t think Ottawa has accepted the fact that players can chose what they want to do and the owner (even a likeable rich one) can have virtually no part in the decision if that player thinks there is a single destination out there more appealing than Ottberia.

Stone played in the ECF semi final games with a “empty” building with no atmosphere. Now he’s playing regular season games with more atmosphere, better taxes, warm weather, not to mention what ever restaurants or night life he’s into.

 

[BatherSeason]

Stupid fans... the best thing we did was let talent leave... Ask SJ or Colombus.

I don’t think Ottawa has accepted the fact that players can chose what they want to do and the owner (even a likeable rich one) can have virtually no part in the decision if that player thinks there is a single destination out there more appealing than Ottberia.

Stone played in the ECF semi final games with a “empty” building with no atmosphere. Now he’s playing regular season games with more atmosphere, better taxes, warm weather, not to mention what ever restaurants or night life he’s into.

Its a very small sample size, but these type of surveys really hammer home exactly WHO is the majority, and exactly how people feel. Nice to have this confirm that Melnyk isn't a HFSens only issue.

 

[BatherSeason]

Did they ask how many Sens fans would attend more games with new ownership?

Naturally, a question like that would get Hailey kicked off the charter.

 

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These type of surveys really hammer home exactly WHO is the majority, and exactly how people feel. Nice to have this confirm that Melnyk isn't a HFSens only issue.

I don’t think a survey like this gets an accurate answer. It’s like asking people why they don’t exercise ... not many will say “because I lack the motivation to commit to something hard”. They are more likely to say things like “I don’t have time”.

Cleary ownership was an issue and the play on the ice is soft. However, we had attendance issues before and Melnyk has been behaving for nearly a year. The Islanders lost JT and their fans are not protesting that they can’t keep talent.

I think the survey misses the element that represents the apathetic, lazy, cheap nature of Ottberia fans.

We are more “the City that fun forgot” than “a great hockey market”.

 

[Sensung]

I don’t think a survey like this gets an accurate answer. It’s like asking people why they don’t exercise ... not many will say “because I lack the motivation to commit to something hard”. They are more likely to say things like “I don’t have time”.

Cleary ownership was an issue and the play on the ice is soft. However, we had attendance issues before and Melnyk has been behaving for nearly a year. The Islanders lost JT and their fans are not protesting that they can’t keep talent.

I think the survey misses the element that represents the apathetic, lazy, cheap nature of Ottberia fans.

We are more “the City that fun forgot” than “a great hockey market”.

When I read your posts, I’m often left wondering how @coladin feels about these issues.

And how do the casino and pilot lawsuits fit into your “Eugene” has been behaving for nearly a year theory?

Is this type of behaviour happening with all other NHL owners?

 

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When I read your posts, I’m often left wondering how @coladin feels about these issues.

And how do the casino and pilot lawsuits fit into your “Eugene” has been behaving for nearly a year theory?

Is this type of behaviour happening with all other NHL owners?

No idea. I know some wealthy people who are often in litigation.

I don’t walk around saying I’m not buying tickets because EM skipped out on a Casino bill. I bet you buy lots of products from companies with shaddy connections.

 

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No idea. I know some wealthy people who are often in litigation.

I don’t walk around saying I’m not buying tickets because EM skipped out on a Casino bill. I bet you buy lots of products from companies with shaddy connections.

Melnyk has given plenty of reasons for Sens fans to boycott.

His behaviour over the last year just continues to embarrass himself, the franchise and the city.

 

[BatherSeason]

I don’t walk around saying I’m not buying tickets because EM skipped out on a Casino bill

Eugene is guilty of a whole lot more than just skipping out of a casino bill. Do you need to be reminded??

However, we had attendance issues before and Melnyk has been behaving for nearly a year.

Are you just ignoring the figures/graphs that people are posting that contradict this "attendance was an issue before" argument?

 

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Eugene is guilty of a whole lot more than just skipping out of a casino bill. Do you need to be reminded??

Oh I get that... and I would like him gone too.

 

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Eugene is guilty of a whole lot more than just skipping out of a casino bill. Do you need to be reminded??


Are you just ignoring the figures/graphs that people are posting that contradict this "attendance was an issue before" argument?

I have mixed views. Bryden had attendance problems and he had the excitement of the Palladium and the teams rise with the early draft picks. I’m not sure if we would have seen simiair issues without the rumoured papering.

Clearly the first playoff runs and the SC run were climaxes for interest levels in the city. I’m not sure how much of what we have now is market evolution or EM. I suspect a combination of most inc the government ticket issue. Sport tickets are not fueled with after tax dollars and Ottawa has a disadvantaged corporate community with salaries employees not able to take advantage of right offs etc.

 

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Sport tickets are not fueled with after tax dollars and Ottawa has a disadvantaged corporate community with salaries employees not able to take advantage of right offs etc.

But I thought you said the issue was cheap, bad, lazy fans...

 

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But I thought you said the issue was cheap, bad, lazy fans...

Correct.

I understand you like long explanations. Take note that most of mine are on a cell phone while I’m walking around, at work etc.

When I say.... “I think the sky is blue” I am aware that at times it looks many different colours, I’m aware that I’m actually seeing light from the sun and not the sky, and I’m aware that we could debate if my blue is your blue.

I choose not write long essays of common knowledge because a) I don’t want to and B) I don’t feel that represents this type of forum.

Sooooo. Please consider not converting the information I don’t include in a post into your condescending personal attacks.

 

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Correct.

I understand you like long explanations. Take note that most of mine are on a cell phone while I’m walking around, at work etc.

When I say.... “I think the sky is blue” I am aware that at times it looks many different colours, I’m aware that I’m actually seeing light from the sun and not the sky, and I’m aware that we could debate if my blue is your blue.

I choose not write long essays of common knowledge because a) I don’t want to and B) I don’t feel that represents this type of forum.

Sooooo. Please consider not converting the information I don’t include in a post into your condescending personal attacks.

Pointing out your clear and longstanding stance on an issue is not a condescending personal attack.

If you are looking for support for your theories, perhaps encourage @coladin to post his thoughts.

 

[DaveMatthew]

I don’t think a survey like this gets an accurate answer. It’s like asking people why they don’t exercise ... not many will say “because I lack the motivation to commit to something hard”. They are more likely to say things like “I don’t have time”.

Cleary ownership was an issue and the play on the ice is soft. However, we had attendance issues before and Melnyk has been behaving for nearly a year. The Islanders lost JT and their fans are not protesting that they can’t keep talent.

I think the survey misses the element that represents the apathetic, lazy, cheap nature of Ottberia fans.

We are more “the City that fun forgot” than “a great hockey market”.

The Islanders brought in Lou Lamoriello and Barry Trotz.

The Senators have Pierre Dorion and DJ Smith.

 

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The Islanders brought in Lou Lamoriello and Barry Trotz.

The Senators have Pierre Dorion and DJ Smith.

Sure ... but I don’t think a $3 million dollar GM puts 18500 buts in the CTC.

 

[Micklebot]

Sure ... but I don’t think a $3 million dollar GM puts 18500 buts in the CTC.

directly? No.

But it's the indirect effects that might.

Well managed teams do better on ice. Better teams get more fans.
Fans who see commitment to doing better are more likely to have hope for the future and thus more are more engaged in the present.
Teams who project a strong commitment to winning are more likely to get buy in from fans and players alike. Players buying into a vision might make them easier to sign.

Is that enough to be worth it in a pure cost analysis? Probably not, like everything, the middle ground is often more cost effective than the discount bin or the luxury version. Our penchant for taking the cheapest available coaches in the past for example has led us to spend millions on coaches that weren't with the team anymore.

I imagine that the current revolt by frustrated fans probably could have been mitigated by better management,

 

[DaveMatthew]

Sure ... but I don’t think a $3 million dollar GM puts 18500 buts in the CTC.

No, but neither does saying "be a better fan."

 

[BatherSeason]

Sure ... but I don’t think a $3 million dollar GM puts 18500 buts in the CTC.

No, but a 3 million dollar GM gives fans hope that the ship will be righted. It shows the org is committed to putting a winning product on the ice.

 

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directly? No.

But it's the indirect effects that might.

Well managed teams do better on ice. Better teams get more fans.
Fans who see commitment to doing better are more likely to have hope for the future and thus more are more engaged in the present.
Teams who project a strong commitment to winning are more likely to get buy in from fans and players alike. Players buying into a vision might make them easier to sign.

Is that enough to be worth it in a pure cost analysis? Probably not, like everything, the middle ground is often more cost effective than the discount bin or the luxury version. Our penchant for taking the cheapest available coaches in the past for example has led us to spend millions on coaches that weren't with the team anymore.

I imagine that the current revolt by frustrated fans probably could have been mitigated by better management,

I agree that there is value in good management ... but I find it outrageous that “we” are suggesting the Sens have a poor commitment to winning because they didn’t pay $30 million a season for 8 more years of EK, MD, and MS.

Trading those three players will likely ensure more winning than keeping those players would have.

Players use the term “commitment” to winning as their PR term to talk about “players getting paid”.... I think it is foolish for us to make the same connection, especially with aging/injured UFA’s.