Just throwing it out there but it could just be EK65's OTHER groin. It might also simply be a typical groin strain and not an adductor injury like before. I know this place is quick to jump straight to amputation but it's also possible he's just out a few games and then comes back fine. A groin injury definitely would explain his lack of burst recently though.
His skating stride definitely has looked fine. Light years from when he was injured and frankly less choppy than last season. Just not much of his typical explosive first step that he still showed last season. We don't know it's the same area. Like I said could be the other groin. Guys not skating for as long as they have are bound to have groin soreness or worse. Not saying it couldn't be career threatening but they only listed him day to day and BB at least thinks he's playing tomorrow. I know after my long layoffs from other surgeries I sometimes had a little soreness in the groin after the first couple skates but it didn't last more than a night each time and quickly went away. We'll see what happens. Let's not burn down the house yet because we found one spider.I mean he hasn't really looked "fine" up to this point in the season either. It probably is a minor thing, but these injuries in the same area are really starting to add up for him. He doesn't seem to have recovered from the first one either.
That's an interesting point. Was the adductor tear on the same leg as the Achilles tear? If not you can't really correlate them. Wasn't the Achilles done by someone kicking him with a skate? So not a weakness in the tendon. It's a tough sport and EK65 isn't the biggest guy. Achilles tears are pretty successfully repaired in the NFL and EK65s first season in SJ prior to the injury he was plenty explosive with his skating. I'm not sure if you can pin these other issues on that at this point. Maybe, but I don't think we'll really ever know for sure.But how many of those same players havent also had surgery to a repair a severed achilles?
Well you are often wrong but never in doubt. I was ecstatic when I heard they signed Erik Karlsson. I saw the Norrises and the carefully marketed performance numbers and I assumed he was the best D in the league. But I never saw him play, just bought the hype. I'll bet it is the same for most of you. Of course it gave me pause that Debbie Dowdy and Burns also won Norrises after Karlsson's run. I figured that was just affirmative action for Canadian hockey players but it really provided informative calibration for what a Norris is worth. (To be fair, that was Burns' best season as a Shark.) No, I expected Karlsson to be a team savior when he got here and was appalled pretty fast actually watching him play; not his low initial point numbers and lack of goals - just watching him. There were all the excuses and rationalizations imaginable but the fact is, he just wasn't very good. There was a few week period where he didn't really contribute much except for an occasional nice pass and racking up the perfunctory secondary assists but he at least didn't stink up the barn as bad and Randy started calling him the best player in the league, which some of you evidently took seriously. By the end of that season it was clear that SJ had been fooled with pig in a poke (surprising because DW has beaucoup contacts in Ottawa) and all the lipstick in the world was not going to make it attractive. It was a worthwhile effort that had failed. No shame at all until they actually signed him for 8 more frikken years at one of the largest contracts in league history. At that point they had all the info they could ever need to know better and they did it anyway.
My concern is that this is going to turn out like acquiring Ken Griffey Jr. turned out for the Reds - Karlsson's most valuable skills will decline to being merely above-average, those areas of his game that were weaknesses will become horrific, and he'll have difficulty staying healthy but will never be so hurt as to trigger an escape route for his contract (insurance and/or LTIR), just sort of staying around as a mediocre player whom the team is forced to play because of his contract and stature.
This has already started to happen. The bigger question is how the Sharks management failed to do proper due diligence on Karlsson's health.
Anyone with decent medical knowledge could have seen the potential for long term issues after Karlsson's Achilles injury.
Yeah, they probably didn't have any doctors look into EK65s history or anything prior to giving him the biggest contract for a defenseman ever. I mean why would you? Have you ever used him on xBox? Dude's gotta be great.This has already started to happen. The bigger question is how the Sharks management failed to do proper due diligence on Karlsson's health.
Anyone with decent medical knowledge could have seen the potential for long term issues after Karlsson's Achilles injury.
That was prior to the Boston game right? I think at that point they just thought it was a groin pull. That's what it seems like at first and most Docs just want you to rest it and do some rehab. It's not until it doesn't respond to rest and rehab do they move to considering it an adductor injury. My local Doc just kept telling me it was a groin strain for 4 months until I finally convinced them to refer me out to someone who actually deals with that type of injury.I still think about Karlsson playing the All-Star game while clearly injured.. The Sharks have done a poor job handling his injury IMO.
Except that's not true at all. Plenty of players have had that surgery to repair that injury and have come back without issue. Lot's of cornerbacks, WR, running backs.. and running and cutting in football is more jarring on your groin. More guys have the surgery in football than hockey. Nabby had it on both sides and came back to have some of his best seasons. There are a few who may never recover 100% but that isn't the norm. Speaking from my personal experience with the exact same injury and surgery, had it at around 40 years old and going on a decade without even a twinge of a recurrence while playing 3 to 4 times a week. It may depend on the individual as well. Some people are more naturally flexible and may have better outcomes. I was always someone who didn't really need to stretch all that much and could go full speed so maybe that was a factor. EK65 seems to be a guy who is also naturally flexible. Cheechoo? Not so much...
It's not a matter of loving DW. It's the change for changes sake aspect where you and I differ. Show me a better GM that the Sharks can hire and I might be on board. That hasn't happened yet. At this point I'm in it with him for his son's draft picks and the hope that the Dentist has another deal or 2 before he gets kicked to the retirement home that will fix this shit show of a roster.reread my post you clearly misunderstood it.
I never said you can’t come back, I just said unlike bone, muscle and ligaments are much easier to re injure once they’ve torn. They can also be permanently damaged.
I get that you want to be positive about Karlsson for whatever reason, and I know you love DW, but it’s ok to admit so far his signing has been a complete failure, and this injury news is potentially just icing on the cake.
Yeah, they probably didn't have any doctors look into EK65s history or anything prior to giving him the biggest contract for a defenseman ever. I mean why would you? Have you ever used him on xBox? Dude's gotta be great.
Except you were just guessing off nothing more than stuff you read. A broken clock is right twice a day. Actual doctors looked at everything and with that information the Sharks thought it was worth the risk. It doesn't mean it doesn't suck it turned out this way but you weren't right thru some unique insight and analysis, you were right thru sheer luck.That’s the problem. Someone clearly ignored multiple aspects of his medical history as well as his long term outlook because there’s no way he should been offered the 7 year deal for 11.5 million.
And before you say no one could have known my posting history indicates otherwise. I strongly intimated that the long term contract was a disaster in making and Wilson was making a colossal mistake.
Except you were just guessing off nothing more than stuff you read. A broken clock is right twice a day. Actual doctors looked at everything and with that information the Sharks thought it was worth the risk. It doesn't mean it doesn't suck it turned out this way but you weren't right thru some unique insight and analysis, you were right thru sheer luck.
I would be curious about what NHL GMs consider when looking at a long-term deal for a player (like EK65) with potential injury issues or more specifically do they factor in the possibility of LTIR.
Its definitely related to his past groin issue
Did you read the article? Most of it was just accusations. Kind of a hit piece because he worked on Bonds and Bonds was in trouble with Balco. A hit piece to generate clicks and controversy. Yeah the restraining order thing is interesting... accusations, no proof. Just 2 dudes pissed at each other. You've never wanted to choke a co-worker?
As far as being disciplined... he was sanctioned not suspended as far as I remember. Meaning he got a note in his permanent record. Being disciplined is like getting a speeding ticket I would guess. I also know people were pissed when he went out on his own and got his own facility. None of this has anything to do with the main premise I was arguing against. He's very good at his job which is to diagnose and fix people thru surgery. Pro athletes come from all over the country to see him.
But again, you don't know the guy right? Never met with him? You read a couple articles and that's it...?