Erik Karlsson Megathread (All Proposals, Discussion, Speculation, and Rumors) [MOD 3470]
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WSS11
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I’d have to think that Ottawa will have to retain a little of Ryan’s cap hit. The return won’t be nearly as good if Dorian demands the entire cap hit needs to be absorbed.
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I've said this before, if Ottawa wants to deal Karlsson for futures they are going to lose any deal heavily, because no one is going to part with the assets they want. They are not getting Point or Sergachev from TB, and it has already been reported that the Knights did not want to move Glass. Taking the Vegas model that likely means Tuch, Suzuki, & 1st rounder. Decent pieces, but they are not getting a Karlsson back.
When you look at the history of deals like this, they are usually deals that are star for star. No Hamilton is not on Karlsson's level, but Calgary also doesn't have trade Hamilton.
Dougie might only be 1 piece, but he is an "elite" offensive producer capable of putting up 50-60pts a season. He's young, under an excellent contract and trending to be a franchise #1 dman. People can laugh all they want, but the reality is Treliving offered Dougie, Ottawa would be foolish not to accept because I doubt that anyone else would offer that type of quality over quantity.
Anyways time will tell, but as in typical fashion when Karlsson is dealt I will wait for the typical HF meltdown that the Sens did not back the type of the return people are expecting.
That trade is pointless to the Flames, they're trading a young number 1 defenseman and a young number 1 center for a 28 year old Karlsson who's probably only going to sign for $10 million plus.
They come out of the deal as a worse team with less cap flexibility.
They come out of the deal as a worse team with less cap flexibility.
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The only thing funny is thinking that Karlsson will sign an extension prior to being dealt.
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The Flames wouldn't even consider this trade. The Sens, on the other hand, would fax this to the league on speed dial.
Way too much to give up for Karlsson, based on the circumstances.
No team, Flames included, are removing their number one centerman and a top-4 D horse that could easily anchor a top pairing.
I could see a deal around Hamilton, Backlund, pick, prospect. But Monahan is a deal-breaker. That said, I honestly don't see Karlsson willing to extend with Calgary before he tests the market.
Way too much to give up for Karlsson, based on the circumstances.
No team, Flames included, are removing their number one centerman and a top-4 D horse that could easily anchor a top pairing.
I could see a deal around Hamilton, Backlund, pick, prospect. But Monahan is a deal-breaker. That said, I honestly don't see Karlsson willing to extend with Calgary before he tests the market.
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Your first statement is true. The Sens will never get an equivalent talent to Karlsson in return. But you're contradicting yourself with your second statement. It's true that they're looking at 3-4 lesser pieces than what Karlsson is worth in return, but you're also stating the best the Sens will get is Hamilton straight up. Hamilton IS one of those substantially lesser pieces. There's zero chance Ottawa would need to settle for just him alone. If Hamilton is the base, be prepared to include at least one more significant piece in the deal.
JZCislesHockey
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Easy pass. Karlsson is amazing but our team is better with Monahan + Hamilton, than it would be without them. Creates to many holes.
Also, I’m not entirely sure the Sen’s are going to get a sign and trade deal done, in which case, the return would most likely be futures.
Also, I’m not entirely sure the Sen’s are going to get a sign and trade deal done, in which case, the return would most likely be futures.
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Meh, it may not be proper value for Karlsson but I wouldn't trade Hamilton straight up for him, let alone with Monahan.
Hamilton is younger and on a way better contract (way better when you consider what Karlsson might get).
I would throw an extensive futures package + Brodie+ Bennett to try and land Karlsson, but I understand that it might not be enough to satisfy Sens fans.
Hamilton is younger and on a way better contract (way better when you consider what Karlsson might get).
I would throw an extensive futures package + Brodie+ Bennett to try and land Karlsson, but I understand that it might not be enough to satisfy Sens fans.
Lmao. Wow, Hamilton for Karlsson straight up, man, this is some funny stuff
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For a signed Karlsson? You know there's a massive gap between Karlsson and Hamilton, right?
This is like saying the best the Pens could get for Crosby is Kadri...
Couple things you're missing here:
1. Vegas didn't say no to just Glass. They said no to Glass + Theodore/Tuch + two 1st rd picks
2. This offer was for 1.5 years of Karlsson. In this scenario, were assuming Karlsson is signed long term, which substantially increases his value.
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If Vancouver insists on dumping Ryan without retention in any Karlsson deal I expect the return to be much lower than the fan base would like. It’s not like OTT is going anywhere in the near term and as the cap goes up so does the floor. Ryan is not going to hamstring the team and as the team transitions to a younger team Ryan’s cap hit may be a help in some sense. Ownership is taking a very short term view of this. I guess OTT believes someone will crack before the TDL and offer a solid roster RD with controlled cost a top prospect and at least one first round pick and take Ryan without retention. That’s a tough sell. Most teams that want Karlsson will want to extend him and that’s about $10 mil and then Ryan also? What team can absorb those two hits and contend for say the next five years without having other cap issues that have to be addressed?
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inthe6ix
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OTT should trade EK for as much as they can to kick start the rebuild (which yes, means giving up the 4th OA to COL) and going after Jack or settling for Kaapo next year.
Yeah, no.
I can’t see Calgary trading the only 1C they’ve had in almost 20 years to create a further logjam in their top 4 D. Karlsson is good, but not worth it to not have a first round pick for three consecutive years. Just for a year of EK?
Not a good fit. Calgary needs to get more top heavy, not less. They need to move defensemen, not add.
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