Discussion in 'Vancouver Canucks' started by ProstheticConscience, Oct 7, 2018.
We're still doing the 40 page limit thing, right?
I honestly care about the truth, and people thinking that I speak the truth.
I have ZERO problem saying Granlund played a great game and I hate him as a player as much as I do Gudbranson.
I went in expecting him to be on the ice for the plays where a Flame was left alone in the slot and instead found that player missing those assignments to be Del Zotto.
I also expected to see Gudbranson do the type of physical plays that don't register on a stats sheet. I saw none. No rough stuff in front of the net or in the corners. Just him getting out muscled regularly for the puck.
Honeslty I don't think my bias against him as a player made my report unfair, at least not to the point that people here are trying to lead us to believe. If it really did then I apologies for that.
its all good. I respect this.
I think i did it as much for myself as anything. I thought he played well and was thrown off when people were blasting him. Sometimes i think i'm losing it so i was pretty happy to do an in depth review and confirm pretty much what i thought originally.
I don't know how to say this without sounding like a dick so I'll just say it.
Just so you can more efficiently analyse stats in the future:
- You should not use +/- at all, it is a really poor measure of anyone's play
- Corsi% you want a bigger sample then 1 game to be useful
On the other hand, if he wants to open the door to single-game-corsi as a fair evaluation of Erik Gudbranson's play....
Fairly uneventful game two, which is generally a good thing I guess. Looks so awkward out there but again didn't look as bad as MDZ. Just ices the puck so, so much.
And when he does battle in front of the net, why the F does he always manage to take out our goalie with either him or an opposing player? Happened again tonight.
I was happy to see him respond by shoving Tkachuk right after Markstrom whacked him. Sutter with his take down as well.
I noticed that as well, this is the culture shift they were talking about.Sutter played a very good and showed leadership by schooling Tckuck.I didn't bother doing an iso report because you can quantify it. He wasn't as physical but made no glaring mistakes.I think people should leave their biases out and just admit they were wrong.
I was going to bash and destroy Guddy for his poor play... but after you posted that pic. Give the man 5 more million a year. What a beautiful specimen.
1000 post limit is more accurate. Some people have their settings on more or less than 25 posts per page so 40 pages isn't accurate for them.
But yeah we were well over 1000 posts so thanks for picking up our slack PC.
Wrong about what?
The guy is still a poor defender who’s plagued by the same mistakes that his proponents have been saying he’d outgrow since he came into the league.
He’s not good.
And his physical play and “culture” can be replaced by a player who will actually defend more effectively at a fraction of the cost.
I'd rather have Sbisa.
Erik "Good First Pass" Gudbranson.
Sbisa, despite his horrendous gaffes (usually 1 - 2 per game), is absolutely a better defenceman than Gudbranson. So was Alberts for that matter, who is probably the best comparable.
These are the sort of guys you want as a 7th / 8th defenceman, playing bottom minutes if your defence is ravaged by injuries but spending most of their time in Utica.
The only 'thing' he's good at.
Him and Pouliot were disastrous in the first. Although I'm sure the Gudbranson support group will praise him to no end for shoving Tkachuk.
He was a trainwreck again in butter-soft minutes.
$4 million for a 'defensive defender' who we need to give 65% o-zone starts in 15 minutes/game to avoid embarrassing himself.
Also those 65% zone starts is actually misleadingly low because he iced the puck like 5 times and had to take a d-zone faceoff as a result.
Gudbransson is a symptom of the overall problems with our D - not fast enough (built for a different era?). The line of Gaudreau, Monnahan and Lindholm - if not for Markstrom could have scored at will in the first 2 games. Pouliot has good wheels, but very poor defensive reads and decision making. Gudbransson's reads, stick work, physicality and positioning are fine, but he's just not quick enough.
Gudbranson ice the puck too much. He is too slow out there. That being said I did see some good things out there but it doesn't make up for the lack of speed. Overall the Defence has been really bad. You need to break up Edler and Tanev. Next game
Gudbranson and Pouliot spent long, long stretches hemmed in their own zone. Get used to that.
And after 2 games both players are a team leading +4..Go figure?
Meanwhile Tkachuk picked up 4 points last night. Flames fans are cheering on those 4 points while we’re cheering on Gudbranson shoving Tkachuk. #Priorities
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