DistantThunderRep
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No. Not at all. But if someone throws him that cash, I can see him signing it.
Value of: Erik Cernak Offer sheet
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Ehhh, In today's market, he's not that far off. I'd put him around 4. He's a solid #4 D who's only in his sophomore year.
...It's always kind of crazy when I realize just how little experience this guy has. It feels like he's a 5 year vet.
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The question is he worth 5 million. My original proposal was at 5.5 for overpayment. He's not worth either of those prices right now. Any penny over 4 million is overpayment.
I don't think it's a huge overpayment at 5 though. What are #4s getting these days? Cernak seems like about an average #4, maybe a bit above average for a 4, with a lot of room left to develop.
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You're right, its a negotiating tool. The Gourde one is really inexcusable though. I think we all knew the moment it was signed it was too high, too long, and had the NTC thrown in to boot.
Gourde could easily have a bounceback season. If he scores 20 goals and 45 points next year, plus kills penalties, the contract looks okay again. He's not a 65 point guy, but I don't think management ever believed he was.
I think we're piling onto Gourde a lot, which we often do when a player is playing poorly and is miss-cast in his role.
Who do you think has the space to sauce 5M × 4 at Cernak? Colorado? Arizona?
Much was made of a similar issue last year with Brayden Point -- whether he would be willing to turn down a 5-year, $9m contract from somebody else, to remain in Tampa on something closer to resembling a bridge deal.
Of course, it played out with something in the middle -- not a 2 year deal at $5m per, but the 3 years @ $6.25m. $18.75m guaranteed - that's A LOT of money.
With Cernak, I think you have arguably a bigger challenge. The 2 year version of his contract is probably going to be in the neighborhood of $2m - $2.5m. $5m sounds like a lot of money to most of us, but for a hockey player who's career could theoretically be derailed at any point, it's not. If a team comes to him and offers $4.25m x 4 years -- $17m is going to be a LOT of money to turn down.
Of course, it played out with something in the middle -- not a 2 year deal at $5m per, but the 3 years @ $6.25m. $18.75m guaranteed - that's A LOT of money.
With Cernak, I think you have arguably a bigger challenge. The 2 year version of his contract is probably going to be in the neighborhood of $2m - $2.5m. $5m sounds like a lot of money to most of us, but for a hockey player who's career could theoretically be derailed at any point, it's not. If a team comes to him and offers $4.25m x 4 years -- $17m is going to be a LOT of money to turn down.
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If I was Toronto I'd definitely try to get rid of some guys for a RHD they desperately need.
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Los Angeles, where he should have been in the first place.
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And another team can also do that to the leads with Dermott. If you are that tight against the cap; you don't want negative atrention.
Yeah I don't think the Leafs are the prime candidates to do that for a guy like Cernak, simply because it provides 10 days of uncertainty at a time that the Leafs will need a decision.
Sure, you can retaliate with Dermott... but I don't think he's taken enough forward steps in his 4 pro seasons to justify that kind of commitment. I'd argue that after 3 years, Cernak is the better defenceaman, and has shown more long term upside as well.
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With the way he's been playing in the playoffs, he has to be an offer sheet candidate, right? A team could offer him up to 5 years 4.3M AAV and only give up a 2021 2nd as Tampa wouldn't be able to match it with Cirelli/Serg to be done and like 5M in cap space.
Personally as a sens fan, I'd give him that deal in a heartbeat. Perfect partner to grow with Chabot/Brannstrom. And we have plenty of cap space and own the CBJ and SJ 2nds so we can afford to give up a pick in the mid-late 30s for him.
Brisebois should probably trade him to get the proper value out of him.
Personally as a sens fan, I'd give him that deal in a heartbeat. Perfect partner to grow with Chabot/Brannstrom. And we have plenty of cap space and own the CBJ and SJ 2nds so we can afford to give up a pick in the mid-late 30s for him.
Brisebois should probably trade him to get the proper value out of him.
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you guys always assume that an offer sheet that is offered will be signed
that biggest dollars are all that matters to a player
too often, sports fans overlook that the value of having money, being paid well, is you don't have to make decisions based on money
AND besides Florida is a low tax state
if i am Cernak, i stay right where i am for the next while,
with the coach who gave him his first shot as NHL regular and has given him good minutes,
on a team that is strong contender,
and where the other regular RHD are all over 30 (Shatty, Bogo, Schenn, Rutta)
that biggest dollars are all that matters to a player
too often, sports fans overlook that the value of having money, being paid well, is you don't have to make decisions based on money
AND besides Florida is a low tax state
if i am Cernak, i stay right where i am for the next while,
with the coach who gave him his first shot as NHL regular and has given him good minutes,
on a team that is strong contender,
and where the other regular RHD are all over 30 (Shatty, Bogo, Schenn, Rutta)
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Pretty sure the Ontario taxes are 53% for their bracket. So he'd take home a little over 2 in Ottawa/Toronto if offer sheeted for a 2nd.
But can Tampa even afford him at 3M? The only forward with salary they could trade is Killorn, which would leave them with about 10M to sign 7-9 players, including Sergachev/Cirelli. Gonna be tough. They're definitely in a tough spot but really who cares if they win the cup.
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This is a point I have tried to make even moving Killorn there will not be enough Cap to sign those needing contracts. Allowing Segi or Cernak to sign a offersheet or trading them is unacceptable. Signing Cirelli at the expense of losing Killorn is not a good idea either. If Stamkos can stay healthy he can center that 2nd line so Cirelli is expendable as a RFA. The lone fix for the Cap would be to trade Kuch or Pointe or Stammer something the fans and team are not ok with.
Bridging the RFA's is just going to cause more issues in two years when Pointe needs a raise again as well as the bridge guys from this crop. The Cap is not scheduled to increase at all for at least two more years but realistically it is going to be 5 years for any significant increase. And that is if somehow this next season fans are allowed back into the arena.
And while winning the Cup this year would be a great thing breaking the bank right now is short sighted when you can extend the Cup window. If the league institutes a couple compliance buyouts it will help but then again teams will have to spend real dollars in a time where it is uncertain when they can return to profitability.
Currently the UK is considering shutting down the country again due to this virus, this will spread across the globe again. So it appears that these reports about a vaccine close is PooPoo. In fact one of the most promising vaccines was out of the UK.
You quoted something I wrote before flat cap was announced. Today I would say Toronto lacks the cap space to offer 4m for Cernak.
You quoted something I wrote before flat cap was announced. Today I would say Toronto lacks the cap space to offer 4m for Cernak.
ohhh sorry. I hate the old bumps. Gotta check the dates better
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