Enver Lisin to Russia

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I just read some where that the reason that they suspend the player in this situation is so they can retain their rights to that particular player. I will try to find the link and post it.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coyotes/articles/1130yotesnb1130.html

"We are very disappointed in Enver's decision to not report to the San Antonio Rampage," Coyotes General Manager Mike Barnett said. " . . . We waited two full years after drafting him before bringing him over (to North America). We were conscious of not wanting to rush him. It's not always easy for young players from those countries to adapt to life in America, particularly if it calls for time in the minors. But going there and learning the game is part of being a pro and paying the price. He left us no choice but to suspend him at this time."

By suspending Lisin, the Coyotes preserve their rights to him.

"If he wants to come back to the NHL at any point in time, the road leads through Phoenix," Barnett said.
 

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I just read some where that the reason that they suspend the player in this situation is so they can retain their rights to that particular player. I will try to find the link and post it.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coyotes/articles/1130yotesnb1130.html

"We are very disappointed in Enver's decision to not report to the San Antonio Rampage," Coyotes General Manager Mike Barnett said. " . . . We waited two full years after drafting him before bringing him over (to North America). We were conscious of not wanting to rush him. It's not always easy for young players from those countries to adapt to life in America, particularly if it calls for time in the minors. But going there and learning the game is part of being a pro and paying the price. He left us no choice but to suspend him at this time."

By suspending Lisin, the Coyotes preserve their rights to him.

"If he wants to come back to the NHL at any point in time, the road leads through Phoenix," Barnett said.

That's interesting. So by not suspending him they could lose his rights? I wonder if that has something to do with having to pass through waivers if he returns this season, as another poster mentioned. Maybe you can't put a waiver claim on a suspended player?
 

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I think the NHL should revise their book on how to deal with Russia. Players should have the option to have a clause in their contract that lets them return to play in their home country instead of going to the AHL if they're demoted but that could come back to their team during the offseason without having to go through waivers.

Say if the NHL team cuts the same player in consecutive seasons he becomes an UFA or goes on waivers (even if he's normally ineligible).
 

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Ya before you go using your rolly eyes faces he had a clause in his contract that said he could go back. How is this any different from Malkin or Ovechkin leaving for North America? Ya, it's not, so lose the bias.
Still waiting for an explanation as to why he was suspended, oh biased one.
 

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Still waiting for an explanation as to why he was suspended, oh biased one.

Because his clause was for a certain timeframe where he would not be sent down to the AHL, and if he did so, he would be allowed to go back to Russia. He was sent down before this came into effect (evident by managements promise to move a vet to make space for him) and bolted for Russia. Suspension.

Any questions?
 

kdb209

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That's interesting. So by not suspending him they could lose his rights? I wonder if that has something to do with having to pass through waivers if he returns this season, as another poster mentioned. Maybe you can't put a waiver claim on a suspended player?
The club has three options if a player refuses assignment to the AHL.

1. Do nothing and keep paying the player.

2. Suspend him without pay under paragraph 11 of the SPC:
11. It is mutually agreed that the Club shall have the right to Assign or to Loan this SPC, and
the Player agrees to accept and be bound by such Assignment or Loan, and will faithfully
perform and carry out this SPC with the same purpose and effect as if it had been entered into by
the Player and such other club.

It is further mutually agreed that in the event that this SPC is Assigned, or the Player's
services are Loaned, to another club, the club shall by notice in writing delivered personally to
the Player or by mail to the address set out below his signature hereto advise the Player of the
name and address of the club to which he has been Assigned or Loaned, and specify the time and
place of reporting. If the Player fails to report to such other club, he may be suspended by such
other club and no Paragraph 1 Salary shall be payable to him during the period of such
suspension.
3. Terminate his contract under paragraph 14 of the SPC:
14. The Club may also terminate this SPC upon written notice to the Player (but only after
obtaining Waivers from all other Clubs) if the Player shall at anytime:

(a) fail, refuse, or neglect to obey the Club's rules governing training and conduct of
Players, if such failure, refusal or neglect should constitute a material breach of this SPC.

(b) fail, refuse or neglect to render his services hereunder or in any other manner
materially breach this SPC
.
By choosing to Suspend Lisin, the Coyoytes are off the hook for his salary and still retain his rights. If he returns and reports to the AHL, they will be required to unsuspend him. They could also have chosen to terminate his contract, but in doing so they would give up his rights - first exposing him to waivers and then making him a UFA if unclaimed.

In any case, as soon as he was removed from the active roster, Lisin no longer counted against the cap.

The clearing waivers after playing overseas is a completely different issue - it applies to all players, signed, unsigned RFAs, and UFAs. Under Article 13.23 of the CBA, if any player plays a professional game in a league outside of Noth America (except on loan from his team) after the start of the NHL regular season, he must clear waivers before he is able to be put on an NHL roster that league year. He is free and clear to return without waivers in the offseason.
13.23 In the event a professional or former professional Player plays in a league outside
North America after the start of the NHL Regular Season, other than on Loan from his
Club, he may thereafter play in the NHL during that Playing Season (including Playoffs)
only if he has first either cleared or been obtained via Waivers. For the balance of the
Playing Season, any such Player who has been obtained via Waivers may be Traded or
Loaned only after again clearing Waivers or through Waiver claim.
Note that if Phoenix had been agreeable to it, they could have loaned Lisin to an RSL team - but in that case he would technically been playing under his NHL SPC and the Coyotes would have been responsible for paying him his two-way salary.
 

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The club has three options if a player refuses assignment to the AHL.

1. Do nothing and keep paying the player.

2. Suspend him without pay under paragraph 11 of the SPC:

3. Terminate his contract under paragraph 14 of the SPC:

By choosing to Suspend Lisin, the Coyoytes are off the hook for his salary and still retain his rights. If he returns and reports to the AHL, they will be required to unsuspend him. They could also have chosen to terminate his contract, but in doing so they would give up his rights - first exposing him to waivers and then making him a UFA if unclaimed.

In any case, as soon as he was removed from the active roster, Lisin no longer counted against the cap.

The clearing waivers after playing overseas is a completely different issue - it applies to all players, signed, unsigned RFAs, and UFAs. Under Article 13.23 of the CBA, if any player plays a professional game in a league outside of Noth America (except on loan from his team) after the start of the NHL regular season, he must clear waivers before he is able to be put on an NHL roster that league year. He is free and clear to return without waivers in the offseason.

Note that if Phoenix had been agreeable to it, they could have loaned Lisin to an RSL team - but in that case he would technically been playing under his NHL SPC and the Coyotes would have been responsible for paying him his two-way salary.

Good stuff. Thanks.
 

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