Entry Draft Lottery results a big secret

[HF2002]

Since this thread is pretty long I figured I'd take the lazy route and not worry if this discussion has already been held.

Anyway, with all the conspiracy talk about who will be given the scepter to hand to Crosby it occurred to me that it's possible that the players are the ones who will "demand" that Crosby goes to NY. With linkage, they benefit just as much as the owners/NHL.

For both Crosby and his endorser's, Reebok and Gatorade, having Sid the Kid in NY is ideal.

Food for thought.

 

[i am dave]

Does everybody realize the Rangers have been superbly terrible? And that the Rangers very well SHOULD have a significant chance to get Crosby?

 

[HF2002]

Does everybody realize the Rangers have been superbly terrible? And that the Rangers very well SHOULD have a significant chance to get Crosby?

Then why all the secrecy? Ewing in '84 to the Knicks was about as blatant as it gets. It does happen.

But who said that the Rangers don't desesrve a shot at Crosby? After all, Sather has been the worst GM ever. Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Anderson, Coffey, Lowe and Fuhrfell into his lap. Fahk, I coulda won all those Cups with "ok boys, pass it to Gretz."

 

[octopi]

I agree. It would be much more entertaining if they had Mario and Wayne dressed up as Sigfried & Roy look alikes, their lottery-machine assistant could be Don Cherry in an oompa-loompa costume. After drawing picks 30-15 there should be a half time show with monkeys, horseys & elefants topped off with Bob Goodenow as the sad faced clown getting eaten by hungry Lions and Tigers.

Thats a freakin' awesome idea!

 

[19nazzy]

Then why all the secrecy? Ewing in '84 to the Knicks was about as blatant as it gets. It does happen.

What secrecy?

 

[Epsilon]

Then why all the secrecy? Ewing in '84 to the Knicks was about as blatant as it gets. It does happen.

If it was "as blatant as it gets" there would be some evidence. Care to provide some?

 

[HF2002]

What secrecy?

The part where the draw is done behind closed doors?

People can go on about the time it takes to see balls getting drawn making for lousy tv. TSN covered "trade deadline day" every year and that lasts what, 6-10 hours straight? while they analyze each trade to death. I'm sure people can handle an hour.

Truthfully, I don't think there's a scam going on. But if there were some funny business I would think it's more likely that the players would be behind it rather than the owners.

 

[HF2002]

If it was "as blatant as it gets" there would be some evidence. Care to provide some?

There's always one twit who takes a conspiracy theory about something as meaningless as sports and demands hard evidence.

I'll stoke the flames with this proof:

It's 1985, the NBA is in the tank, the Knicks have a 1% chance at the #1 pick and there's a young phenom coming out of Georgetown. The draw is done behind closed doors and... POOF! Ewing goes to NY! Then, the very next year, they completely change the way the lottery is done. A team can no longer move up higher than 4 spots. What a shock.

And, I actually met Ewing in 1985. I'm working on a link for that but there wasn't an article in the Washington Post about it so it might take me a while.

 

[Epsilon]

There's always one twit who takes a conspiracy theory about something as meaningless as sports and demands hard evidence.

So I'm a "twit" because I won't simply accept paranoid conspiracy theories as "blatantly obvious". I guess it's "blatantly obvious" that there's a UFO hidden at area 51. After all, they make a pretty good argument for it on the X-Files right?

I'll stoke the flames with this proof:

It's 1985, the NBA is in the tank, the Knicks have a 1% chance at the #1 pick and there's a young phenom coming out of Georgetown. The draw is done behind closed doors and... POOF! Ewing goes to NY! Then, the very next year, they completely change the way the lottery is done. A team can no longer move up higher than 4 spots. What a shock.

Some really astounding proof there. I'm glad coincidence and unsubstantiated speculation counts for proof now.

And, I actually met Ewing in 1985. I'm working on a link for that but there wasn't an article in the Washington Post about it so it might take me a while.

That was a pretty pathetic attempt at an insult.

 

[HF2002]

So I'm a "twit" because I won't simply accept paranoid conspiracy theories as "blatantly obvious". I guess it's "blatantly obvious" that there's a UFO hidden at area 51. After all, they make a pretty good argument for it on the X-Files right?

That's not what does it. It's more the request for hard proof of a conspiracy on a message board that has anonymous posters, a 'rumour' section and even a moment in time when Eklund was considered to be a journalist. Is he back on the banned list?

Some really astounding proof there. I'm glad coincidence and unsubstantiated speculation counts for proof now.

It's all in the way you read it. If you think there was a conspiracy it couldn't be any clearer. If you're against the possibility, then it sounds as gay as a french horn.

That was a pretty pathetic attempt at an insult.

No, the twit remark was the insult. I really did meet him. My uncle taught at Georgetown and we bumped into Ewing on campus. I was pretty young though, and Al Gore had yet to invent the internet, which is largely why I have no link.

 

[Epsilon]

That's not what does it. It's more the request for hard proof of a conspiracy on a message board that has anonymous posters, a 'rumour' section and even a moment in time when Eklund was considered to be a journalist. Is he back on the banned list?

If you want to claim a conspiracy that's your business, so long as you don't mind getting laughed at. To say that it was "blatantly obvious" implies that there is at least some tangible evidence to support that conclusion.

No, the twit remark was the insult. I really did meet him. My uncle taught at Georgetown and we bumped into Ewing on campus. I was pretty young though, and Al Gore had yet to invent the internet, which is largely why I have no link.

I wasn't implying that I don't believe you met Ewing. No one would ask you for proof of something so minor. Claiming a conspiracy to be true is a totally different thing.

 

[GSC2k2*]

When you use terms such as "blatantly obvious", it does not take a great deal of common sense to infer that those who don't "see" it are saps.

Such terminology is silly to use for such a tinfoil hat conspiracy such as the Ewing draft story.

Oh, and Ewing? Not to get off topic too far, but he was not a "phenom". He was an excellent college player - the best player that year - who was a defensive force at Georgetown. Just about every year has a Ewing. He blossomed into a 20 ppg guy in the pros.

 

[BrettNYR]

Guess you've never heard about the "frozen envelope" in the eighties and the #1 pick to, conveniently enough, the team that had just been taken over two weeks earlier by the NBA's biggest superstar of all time...

Just because it's on TV doesn't mean the fix wouldn't be in. The NBA does it regularly. I wonder how Cleveland just happened to get the #1 pick when hometown hero Lebron was coming up, hmm?

Maybe, just maybe, because they had a 22.5% chance at getting the first pick, anyway.

And for Patrick Ewing; The Knicks had the third worst record in the League that year, and therefore, the third most lottery balls. I.E. The third best chance at getting the first pick.

 

[GSC2k2*]

I'll stoke the flames with this proof:

It's 1985, the NBA is in the tank, the Knicks have a 1% chance at the #1 pick and there's a young phenom coming out of Georgetown. The draw is done behind closed doors and... POOF! Ewing goes to NY! Then, the very next year, they completely change the way the lottery is done. A team can no longer move up higher than 4 spots. What a shock.

Hmpph. Some proof. I checked my NBA guide. Before they drafted Ewing, the Knicks were 24-58, third worst in the league after Indiana and Golden State.

Before you propagate urban myths, you at least should get your facts right.

Ready to cry uncle yet?

 

[Montrealer]

There's always one twit who takes a conspiracy theory about something as meaningless as sports and demands hard evidence.

Yes, everyone else is the twit.

 

[Mess]

FYI

Rogers Sportsnet has had a mock draft draw each day and based it on the weighting of the real one ..

Here are the Results

MOCK DRAFT(S)
Possible destinations for Sidney:
July 15: Toronto
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July 16: Chicago
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July 17: Anaheim
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July 18: Carolina
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July 19: Minnesota
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July 20: Calgary
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp?content=20050715_152444_5152


The thing of interest here is that over the 6 days of drafts the 4 teams that are the most heavily weighted did not win on any day.. NYR, Pitts, Columbus, Buffalo

So while each day the odds of the 4 teams combined was 12/48 or 1/4 not a single day of the 6 did it pay off ..

 

[WalterSobchak]

just for the record, I had a dream last night that Dallas won Crosby-gate.

I was not happy.

 

[sveiglar]

just for the record, I had a dream last night that Dallas won Crosby-gate.

I was not happy.

My dream last week had Boston winning the lottery. All the team execs were in my old high-school gym seated assembly style, and when I announced Boston, Mike O'Connell jumped up Homer-style with a huge Woo-Hoo! What was most bizarre about it all was I was the one drawing the teams and instead of using ping-pong balls, it was randomly shaped blocks of wood and plastic, with the team abbreviations marked on with black marker, floating in a trough filled with water. The problem was after I drew Boston, the second block I drew had the markings coming off. I thought it looked like WSH, but couldn't be sure. I then thought that filling the trough with water and using wooden blocks wasn't such a good idea after all. Luckily I woke up before suffering any consequences of the botched lottery.