Post-Game Talk: End of the Season Press Conference + Exit Interviews

[m9]

Covid helped the Canucks more than it hurt them. It hurt teams like Toronto who have tons of big long-term deals that were signed with the expectation of a rising cap. The Canucks don't have that at all.

 

[Fatass]

Covid helped the Canucks more than it hurt them. It hurt teams like Toronto who have tons of big long-term deals that were signed with the expectation of a rising cap. The Canucks don't have that at all.

No team with even one 10 million dollar cap hit (or higher) has won a Cup. I hope Benning signs Petey and Hughes to bridge deals, so we don’t fall into that loser group. It’s just impossible (especially in this Covid flat cap era) to round out a roster, and compete with teams who have their top guys signed to cheaper cap hits.

 

[m9]

No team with even one 10 million dollar cap hit (or higher) has won a Cup. I hope Benning signs Petey and Hughes to bridge deals, so we don’t fall into that loser group. It’s just impossible (especially in this Covid flat cap era) to round out a roster, and compete with teams who have their top guys signed to cheaper cap hits.

Eh, that's just an arbitrary number based on nothing. Ovechkin and Malkin were both close to 10 and won recently. Whether EP makes 9.8 or 10.2 isn't going to be the difference in the Canucks winning a cup.

 

[Fatass]

Eh, that's just an arbitrary number based on nothing. Ovechkin and Malkin were both close to 10 and won recently. Whether EP makes 9.8 or 10.2 isn't going to be the difference in the Canucks winning a cup.

It will, especially with a flat cap era. Benning said during his recent (exit) interviews that the cap will be flat fir two years. He doesn’t know that for sure. It could be flat fir the term of the new CBA. If Benning signs Petey to a hedge contract (expecting the cap to go up and cover the value in the later years) he could be wrecking our chances. Again no team, with a 10 million dollar cap hit contract has won a Cup.

 

[deckercky]

Lots of teams have won the cup with contracts that pro rate to $10m under the current cap.

That said, I agree on bridging the stars. Works out better for both parties (Hughes and pettersson get their big third contracts when the cap isn't depressed by a pandemic).

 

[Fatass]

Lots of teams have won the cup with contracts that pro rate to $10m under the current cap.

That said, I agree on bridging the stars. Works out better for both parties (Hughes and pettersson get their big third contracts when the cap isn't depressed by a pandemic).

But those contracts were signed with the expectation the cap was going to go up, and therefore become valued over time. Benning mentioning a two year flat cap during his interviews gets me thinking he’s going to make another stupid cap mistake.

 

[m9]

It will, especially with a flat cap era. Benning said during his recent (exit) interviews that the cap will be flat fir two years. He doesn’t know that for sure. It could be flat fir the term of the new CBA. If Benning signs Petey to a hedge contract (expecting the cap to go up and cover the value in the later years) he could be wrecking our chances. Again no team, with a 10 million dollar cap hit contract has won a Cup.

No. Just sign guys for good value and you'll be fine. Meaningless caps like "10 million" are irrelevant.

 

[Fatass]

No. Just sign guys for good value and you'll be fine. Meaningless caps like "10 million" are irrelevant.

Still no team has won a Cup with a 10 million dollar cap hit contract. It’s clearly the dividing line between giving your team a chance to win a not. Benning needs to be smart with Petey, and go with a bridge deal.

 

[rypper]

I think a bridge deal is a terrible idea for Pettersson. If you can, you lock him up now.

Pettersson on a bridge deal is still going to be something like 9m for 3 years, with the last year leading to a big qualifying offer. Get him locked up for now for 10-12m x 8, as opposed to even more after the bridge deal ends.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

If Barrie WANTS to play here, id only consider him under specific conditions

1. at a deep discount (less aav than his last contract)
2. we resign Tanev
3. we get something useful for trading away Stehers rights (or cap dump)
4. he's 29, so no more than 3 years

That would result in:
Hughes Tanev
Edler Barrie
Fant Myers
Juolevi
I could live with that

I am all for this team having more puck moving defensemen that can help get the puck out of our zone. I’m a sucker for a hometown boy coming home story - but Barrie is still likely to command at least a decent salary, and I’d rather we try and develop another puck moving defender of our own in one or both of Rathbone and Juolevi.

 

[Hit the post]

It will, especially with a flat cap era. Benning said during his recent (exit) interviews that the cap will be flat fir two years. He doesn’t know that for sure. It could be flat fir the term of the new CBA. If Benning signs Petey to a hedge contract (expecting the cap to go up and cover the value in the later years) he could be wrecking our chances. Again no team, with a 10 million dollar cap hit contract has won a Cup.

Good thing we've got CBA expert (cough, cough, Ryan O'Reilly offer sheet) Weisbrod on the payroll to keep Benning informed.

 

[ChilliBilly]

Yeah, I am hoping $8M x 8 for both EP and Hughes. We are so screwed cap wise right now. I think we just jettison Markstrom, toffoli and Tanev. And I hope that if we do that, that JB is smart enough not to spend to the cap (very doubtful).

Every single UFA signing has been a financial disaster. Sure, thats what it costs to sign guys, but if JB had been smart during our rebuild (which never really happened) he probably could have picked up better players with ok contracts from the cash strapped teams at the trade deadline, and at the draft.

As it is we are going to have to abandon decent players because we just can't afford them. Last I saw 15 teams were in the same boat. It's going to be a buyers market this time around methinks.

Edit - and we are going to need cap room. have to allow adding Podkolzin later this year, and Tryamkin next year. Even on a fantastic front loaded contract by both EP and Hughes we are going to be in even worse trouble next season ...

Edit the Edit - Other GM's must be licking their chops looking at JB and how they are going to screw him over.

 

[Fatass]

Good thing we've got CBA expert (cough, cough, Ryan O'Reilly offer sheet) Weisbrod on the payroll to keep Benning informed.

Likely this whole Petey and Hughes next contract’s is no big issue, but it’s friggin’ Benning/Brod. Those two are worrisome on every level. If we had Lou Lam would I be worried about this? Of course not.

 

[Paulinvancouver]

I'd like to add someone young in Free agency. I feel like DeMelo is the perfect candidate.

LOL As does every other team in this league. Boy's going to get PAID this fall.

 

[Paulinvancouver]

I think a bridge deal is a terrible idea for Pettersson. If you can, you lock him up now.

Pettersson on a bridge deal is still going to be something like 9m for 3 years, with the last year leading to a big qualifying offer. Get him locked up for now for 10-12m x 8, as opposed to even more after the bridge deal ends.

This is the answer. Take care of your bigs and give them some stability.

 

[Peter10]

Still no team has won a Cup with a 10 million dollar cap hit contract. It’s clearly the dividing line between giving your team a chance to win a not. Benning needs to be smart with Petey, and go with a bridge deal.

Its just a dividing line because you declared it as such. It doesnt mean that with a rising cap 10m will forever be the limit. Ovechkin had a ~9.5m cap hit when there was a 75m ceiling, that translates to 10.3m in a 81.5m cap).

Heck, the 2016 Penguins edition had almost 2 10m on the roster, with Malkin (prorated 10.8m) and Crosby (prorated 9.93m)

 

[racerjoe]

Still no team has won a Cup with a 10 million dollar cap hit contract. It’s clearly the dividing line between giving your team a chance to win a not. Benning needs to be smart with Petey, and go with a bridge deal.

And at one point no team with. Euro captain had won the cup...

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Pettersson and Hughes will get paid. As long as it’s in line with other star players it shouldn’t be an issue imo. $10 million is just an arbitrary number and doesn’t really mean much imo. Hopefully we lock them up long term but financially it may be in their best interests to take shorter deals and then cash in later like the Matthews deal.

 

[vanarchy]

Eh, that's just an arbitrary number based on nothing. Ovechkin and Malkin were both close to 10 and won recently. Whether EP makes 9.8 or 10.2 isn't going to be the difference in the Canucks winning a cup.

This is very true.

What's wild to me is Toronto having 3 of these. None on D.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Good thing we've got CBA expert (cough, cough, Ryan O'Reilly offer sheet) Weisbrod on the payroll to keep Benning informed.

Actually...Its AGM Chris Gear..definitely got his work cut our for him.

 

[Hit the post]

Actually...Its AGM Chris Gear..definitely got his work cut our for him.

Guess that leaves Weisbrod to make the coffee and open the mail.

 

[xtra]

Guess that leaves Weisbrod to make the coffee and open the mail.

No he’s there to scout players like Mike Janowkoski

 

[deckercky]

I think a bridge deal is a terrible idea for Pettersson. If you can, you lock him up now.

Pettersson on a bridge deal is still going to be something like 9m for 3 years, with the last year leading to a big qualifying offer. Get him locked up for now for 10-12m x 8, as opposed to even more after the bridge deal ends.

If you believe a 3 year bridge would cost $9M per year vs 10-12 for 8 years, I'd agree. I just think your numbers are way off.

Fact is, despite how great he's played, Pettersson has not had a season as a point per game player. 3 years is more likely somewhere around $7.5-$8M (all RFA years). 8 years should be $10.5-11M based on Eichel's contract (you will not find a closer comparable to Pettersson than Eichel).

But Pettersson would be wrong to sign that contract - he's likely better to do better for himself by taking a shorter/lower contract followed by a bigger contract when his play justifies, and the salary cap allows.

For Hughes...its tough to find a past comparable. I think we have to wait and see what Makar signs, then Hughes should get the same contract.

 

[Bankerguy]

I am all for this team having more puck moving defensemen that can help get the puck out of our zone. I’m a sucker for a hometown boy coming home story - but Barrie is still likely to command at least a decent salary, and I’d rather we try and develop another puck moving defender of our own in one or both of Rathbone and Juolevi.

totally agree. if he's worth 6M on the open market and his idea of a discount is 5M.. i'd still pass. he not young and we do have Hughes. He would help the 2nd PP and take minutes from Edler and Tanev...
Id want a huge discount. The number should start with a "3"

 

[sting101]

Pettersson and Hughes should be bridged. Nonsense to give a guy so much term too early. Have to consider regression and injury is always a possibility even in prime ages. Ideally
3yrs ELC 19-22
3yr RFA Bridge 22-25
8 yr franchise player deal 25-33 or 3-5yrs for quality players.

Don't go full Toronto