Player Discussion Elias Pettersson, Calder Trophy winner

[CloutierForVezina]

Eh tune it down a bit. McDavid is a great player perhaps even generational. The latter remains to be seen though, farting his way to 5 point's margins Art Ross's while being on the ice for half the games and no real competetion for the trophy ain't gonna cut it. His first years are no better than Crosby's first years so I don't find them very unbelieveable.

Ah, the classic "he only won because everyone else sucks" argument. Fantastic.

His Art Ross wins have been by 6p and 11p, and in both years he led the league in raw points and in points per game, so there's no debate that he only won because better players were injured. The margin of victory in the Art Ross race for every Art Ross since 05-06 have been 2, 6, 6, 3, 3, 5, 12, 3, 17, 1, 17. Based on your criteria, 8 of the 11 Art Ross wins don't mean anything cause the margin of victory is too small.

His TOI in those years were also 21:08 and 21:33. The TOI numbers for every Art Ross winner since 05-06 are 21:20, 20:46, 23:06, 22:31, 19:41, 18:33, 21:01, 21:59, 21:58, 19:57, 20:25. So his TOI is perfectly in line with pretty much every Art Ross winner in the last 15 years except for Sedin x 2.

Says a lot when you have to dig that deep to try to discredit someone.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Franchise rookie record watch
Player	G	A	P	Age
Pavel Bure	34	26	60	21
Ivan Hlinka	23	37	60	31
Elias Pettersson	26	27	53	20

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

exactly 23 games left in the season. that's a magic number because in the last 23 games of his rookie season, bure went on a crazy run and scored 22 goals and 32 points.

come on petey, if you top bure by just one goal you hit 50.

and if you also chip in 10 assists like bure did, you top barzal's total in the full 82 games last year.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

best scoring rates by a rookie, minimum 40 GP--

Rk	Player	PTS/GP	Season	Age	GP	G	A	PTS
1	Wayne Gretzky*	1.73	1979-80	19	79	51	86	137
2	Teemu Selanne*	1.57	1992-93	22	84	76	56	132
3	Peter Stastny*	1.42	1980-81	24	77	39	70	109
4	Mario Lemieux*	1.37	1984-85	19	73	43	57	100
5	Neal Broten	1.34	1981-82	22	73	38	60	98
6	Real Cloutier	1.33	1979-80	23	67	42	47	89
7	Joe Mullen*	1.31	1981-82	24	45	25	34	59
8	Alex Ovechkin	1.31	2005-06	20	81	52	54	106
9	Mike Rogers	1.31	1979-80	25	80	44	61	105
10	Dale Hawerchuk*	1.29	1981-82	18	80	45	58	103
11	Sidney Crosby	1.26	2005-06	18	81	39	63	102
12	Mike Bossy*	1.25	1977-78	21	73	53	38	91
13	Gus Bodnar	1.24	1943-44	20	50	22	40	62
14	Eric Lindros*	1.23	1992-93	19	61	41	34	75
15	Joe Nieuwendyk*	1.23	1987-88	21	75	51	41	92
16	Joe Juneau	1.21	1992-93	25	84	32	70	102
17	Marian Stastny	1.20	1981-82	29	74	35	54	89
18	Bryan Trottier*	1.19	1975-76	19	80	32	63	95
19	Blair MacDonald	1.18	1979-80	26	80	46	48	94
20	Jorgen Pettersson	1.18	1980-81	24	62	37	36	73
21	Nels Stewart*	1.17	1925-26	23	36	34	8	42
22	Kent Nilsson	1.16	1979-80	23	80	40	53	93
23	Ron Francis*	1.15	1981-82	18	59	25	43	68
24	Barry Pederson	1.15	1981-82	20	80	44	48	92
25	Steve Larmer	1.13	1982-83	21	80	43	47	90
26	Ulf Nilsson	1.12	1978-79	28	59	27	39	66
27	Chris Valentine	1.12	1981-82	20	60	30	37	67
28	Elias Pettersson	1.10	2018-19	20	48	26	27	53
29	Evgeni Malkin	1.09	2006-07	20	78	33	52	85
30	Steve Yzerman*	1.09	1983-84	18	80	39	48	87
31	Mark Howe*	1.08	1979-80	24	74	24	56	80
32	Sergei Makarov*	1.08	1989-90	31	80	24	62	86
33	Connor McDavid	1.07	2015-16	19	45	16	32	48
34	Peter Forsberg*	1.06	1994-95	21	47	15	35	50
35	Luc Robitaille*	1.06	1986-87	20	79	45	39	84
36	Anton Stastny	1.06	1980-81	21	80	39	46	85
37	Alex Zhamnov	1.06	1992-93	22	68	25	47	72
38	Mathew Barzal	1.04	2017-18	20	82	22	63	85
39	Brian Leetch*	1.04	1988-89	20	68	23	48	71
40	Dave Poulin	1.04	1983-84	25	73	31	45	76
41	Sergei Fedorov*	1.03	1990-91	21	77	31	48	79
42	Rick Martin	1.01	1971-72	20	73	44	30	74
43	Dan Daoust	1.00	1982-83	22	52	18	34	52
44	Ron Flockhart	1.00	1981-82	21	72	33	39	72
45	Craig Janney	1.00	1988-89	21	62	16	46	62
46	Jari Kurri*	1.00	1980-81	20	75	32	43	75
47	Dickie Moore*	1.00	1951-52	21	33	18	15	33
48	Brent Sutter	1.00	1981-82	19	43	21	22	43
49	Jimmy Carson	0.99	1986-87	18	80	37	42	79
50	Marcel Dionne*	0.99	1971-72	20	78	28	49	77

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

the seven guys right under him are all hall of famers, all entered the league under much more favourable scoring environments, four of them won the calder, one was ineligible (but realistically would have lost to gretzky), and the other two were finalists.

 

[Jay Cee]

So how many generational players do we have this generation?

 

[Bleach Clean]

When I watch games now, I make the mistake of thinking that Pettersson is the baseline and that Boeser and Horvat are not good enough. When in reality, there's only a handful of players like Pettersson in the league. He is the unique player, while Horvat and Boeser are 1st liners. It really changes your perspective.

VAN needs to find high end, pure skill players to bring the best out of Pettersson. Maybe it will result in an unprecedented performance the likes of which VAN has never seen.

 

[mathonwy]

Leaf fans are having a meltdown because pettersson is ahead matthews in a poll.

Leaf fans can lick nut sacks.

 

[psycat]

Ah, the classic "he only won because everyone else sucks" argument. Fantastic.

His Art Ross wins have been by 6p and 11p, and in both years he led the league in raw points and in points per game, so there's no debate that he only won because better players were injured. The margin of victory in the Art Ross race for every Art Ross since 05-06 have been 2, 6, 6, 3, 3, 5, 12, 3, 17, 1, 17. Based on your criteria, 8 of the 11 Art Ross wins don't mean anything cause the margin of victory is too small.

His TOI in those years were also 21:08 and 21:33. The TOI numbers for every Art Ross winner since 05-06 are 21:20, 20:46, 23:06, 22:31, 19:41, 18:33, 21:01, 21:59, 21:58, 19:57, 20:25. So his TOI is perfectly in line with pretty much every Art Ross winner in the last 15 years except for Sedin x 2.

Says a lot when you have to dig that deep to try to discredit someone.

Since this entire board, more or less, heavily criticize a player like Lidström for winning against "weak competition" same should naturally apply to McDavid. There sjmply is no peak Ovechkin caliber player at this moment, neither a peak Malkin.

I never said he is not great, or the best player currently, but there is a big leap from that to generational in my book and a couple of relatively weak Ross's wont cut it.

St. Louis won two Art Ross, maybe he is also generational? You basically showed statistics that clearly shows that McDavid's Ross's so far are basically within the normal and infact not something unbelieveable.

 

[VanJack]

You keep waiting for some holes to develop in this kid's game, but none appear. His creativity and vision are legitimately 'generational' imo. And his shot might be one of the best in the entire NHL even though he's only 20.

Even his overall skating speed, which some were nit-picking about early on, seems to have picked up steam in the last 10 games or so. He's gaining separation now and seems to have increased his speed through the neutral zone, which is a pretty terrifying prospect if you're an NHL d-man.

Last night the tying goal happened because Drew Doughty and his partner were both intimidated enough to close in on him at the same time, leaving the garbage for Gaudette.

He's also showing surprising durability and toughness along the wall, something I didn't see coming. And as other posters have mentioned, his work in the defensive zone makes him already the Canucks top center. Just faceoffs. That might be only thing he needs to improve on, and he will.

If he stays healthy his jersey will end up in the rafters for sure, and he has a shot at being the Canucks best-every player, ahead of even the Sedins and Bure. And those guys all have Hall of Fame credentials.

 

[Raistlin]

You keep waiting for some holes to develop in this kid's game, but none appear. His creativity and vision are legitimately 'generational' imo. And his shot might be one of the best in the entire NHL even though he's only 20.

Even his overall skating speed, which some were nit-picking about early on, seems to have picked up steam in the last 10 games or so. He's gaining separation now and seems to have increased his speed through the neutral zone, which is a pretty terrifying prospect if you're an NHL d-man.

Last night the tying goal happened because Drew Doughty and his partner were both intimidated enough to close in on him at the same time, leaving the garbage for Gaudette.

He's also showing surprising durability and toughness along the wall, something I didn't see coming. And as other posters have mentioned, his work in the defensive zone makes him already the Canucks top center. Just faceoffs. That might be only thing he needs to improve on, and he will.

If he stays healthy his jersey will end up in the rafters for sure, and he has a shot at being the Canucks best-every player, ahead of even the Sedins and Bure. And those guys all have Hall of Fame credentials.

so much hype..... in our rich history as Canuck fans, you ought to know the greater our expectations ......

 

[Icebreakers]

So how many generational players do we have this generation?

A generational amount.

 

[Love]

VAN needs to find high end, pure skill players to bring the best out of Pettersson.

 

[Zombotron]

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Yeah, well... he has a Swedish surname. So we can put him next to EP and pretend he's good.

 

[Horse McHindu]

I’m just going to go ahead and say it:

Elias Pettersson is already the greatest player in the history of our franchise, lol. I’m not even sure if I’m joking or not.

He’s Alex Mogilny that gives a shit.

He’s the twins with speed, defense, and deking ability.

He has some assholishness in him like Bure did.

In a few years, only McDavid will be better than this kid.

Outside of McDavid, no one is going to touch Pettersson.

 

[maroon 6]

Imagine this team with them though? I'm pro tank and would only be happy about playoffs if they came out of retirement

I don't know how they would be 5 on 5 but damn a power play of the Sedin's with Pettersson and Boeser would be deadly.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Since this entire board, more or less, heavily criticize a player like Lidström for winning against "weak competition" same should naturally apply to McDavid.

Does someone actually think that about Lidström? (or McDavid)

 

[Horse McHindu]

When I watch games now, I make the mistake of thinking that Pettersson is the baseline and that Boeser and Horvat are not good enough. When in reality, there's only a handful of players like Pettersson in the league. He is the unique player, while Horvat and Boeser are 1st liners. It really changes your perspective.

VAN needs to find high end, pure skill players to bring the best out of Pettersson. Maybe it will result in an unprecedented performance the likes of which VAN has never seen.

Wondering if high end pure skill players that are reclamation projects can be brought back from the dead by Pettersson.

I wonder how a guy like Puljiujarvi would do alongside Pettersson.

 

[F A N]

I’m just going to go ahead and say it:

Elias Pettersson is already the greatest player in the history of our franchise, lol. I’m not even sure if I’m joking or not.

He’s Alex Mogilny that gives a ****.

He’s the twins with speed, defense, and deking ability.

He has some assholishness in him like Bure did.

In a few years, only McDavid will be better than this kid.

Outside of McDavid, no one is going to touch Pettersson.

I agree with you... but in a year or two. Not right now. In terms of talent and impact, I have to give the nod to Bure right now. Bure, I think, has become underrated due to his injuries, time spent on poor teams, and relatively short career. Before his first knee injury in the NHL he was like Ovechkin without bad playoff years. But longevity is important and Pettersson plays C. So ya, I think and hope that Pettersson will be among the top 3-5 Cs in the league.

 

[ChilliBilly]

I don't know how they would be 5 on 5 but damn a power play of the Sedin's with Pettersson and Boeser would be deadly.

and perhaps Hughes on D.

 

[Chimpradamus]

I agree with you... but in a year or two. Not right now. In terms of talent and impact, I have to give the nod to Bure right now. Bure, I think, has become underrated due to his injuries, time spent on poor teams, and relatively short career. Before his first knee injury in the NHL he was like Ovechkin without bad playoff years. But longevity is important and Pettersson plays C. So ya, I think and hope that Pettersson will be among the top 3-5 Cs in the league.

Bure cherry picked like crazy, while Pettersson is very responsible defensively. How do you compare them?

 

[Star Ocean]

Elias Petterssons succé fortsätter i NHL

Pettersson says he like the tight schedule. Well i got bad news, he will soon be 5 days off.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

We should try to make a play for Puljujarvi to play with Pettersson.

I would offer up Hutton + 2nd 2020.

 

[Javaman]

We should try to make a play for Puljujarvi to play with Pettersson.

I would offer up ...... 2nd 2020.

ftfy

 

[Ainec]

edmonton would take hutton and 2nd

 

[kanuck87]

edmonton would take hutton and 2nd

**** no. That would be terrible for us.

 

[ErrantShepherd]

edmonton would take hutton and 2nd

I'm sure they would... that's just straight up bad though trading from a position of weakness to get only a hopeful improvement.