Elias Lindholm vs William Nylander

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Which player would you rather have?

  1. Elias Lindholm

    69.9%
  2. William Nylander

    30.1%
  1. glucker

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    I have no doubt he will. He’s also been in the NHL how long?

    Nylander is massively underrated defensively, he’s one of our best forwards at getting the puck out of the zone, and transitioning from defense to offense. Yea, he’s having a bad season for traditional metrics, after missing training camp, and the first two months... but he’s been one of the Leafs’ best players since coming back, so long as you aren’t blinded by the scoreboard.

    At 24 Lindholm is just now managing to beat what Nylander did at 20. Do you think Nylander is done developing, or this is the new norm for Lindholm?
     
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    If you’d like to make it about numbers and who ‘gets as much points’ , consider that objectively, Lindholm’s numbers this year read as a far greater statistical anomaly when comparatively speaking.


    The only unreasonable opinion would be to deny this is debatable.
     
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    Still Nylander

    Meh, give Nylander Gaudreau and Monahan and give Lindholm Kadri and Brown and see how that works for ya.
     
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    Hasnt he played Auston Matthews most of his career. The only reason hes playing with the 3rd line is cause he cant produce with Matthews so he's been demoted. Who did he play most of his time with in his 60 point seasons?
     
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    A logical person would assume Nylander is playing with Kadri and Brown because he's sucking and not vice versa. If Nylander was playing to his normal level he would 100% be flanking Matthews instead of Kadri.
     
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    First off, it’s your opinion is that he’s far better defensively. That’s a very broad term and a very subjective one. In some aspects he’s better, yeah, but Nylander being bad defensively is a myth.

    Again, Nylander had the worst two months of his career to begin this season after missing camp and two months of game time... His worst stretch, still paced around where Lindholm hovered for his first five years. He was 60+ back to back out of the gate with almost an inarguably better tool box. He’s got better vision, a better shot, better skater, more creative. There’s actually a lot of reasons to like William Nylander here, it’s not rocket science.
     
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    While Lindholm is excelling Nylander has hit a plateau.
     
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    His time away gave Kapanen an opportunity he’s not relinquishing easily
     
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    And that opens up that Nylander himself is at least somewhat (if not majority) responsible for his time away, and following that his missed preseason, missed 2 months playtime, and Kapanens usurping of his role on line 1b.

    Nylander is the architect of his own demise, and his give a **** level is directly affecting his performance. All of these things are related and have bearing on him as a player.
     
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    Elias, not close.
    Better defensively by far, higher IQ by far. Contractually not close, you take that Lindholm deal 10/10 times.

    Nylander is younger, but he's trending the wrong way. First time Elias has played with legit talent and he's producing like an elite player.
     
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    I'm surprised that this poll is as close as it is. Just goes to show you what kind of voting power that HFLeaf fans have.

    Lindholm... AINEC.
     
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    Lindholm..... all he needed was a change of scenery
     
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    Lindholm because he shares name with God

    Nylander only has Dafoe
     
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    So, also God?
     
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    Show your work.

    I wouldn't say Nylander is declining. Its great that Elias can do it (finally) after 4 more years.
     
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    so this time, history means nothing?
     
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    There's talk about Elias and the Selke.
    Dude's a 1st line PKer who plays both ends of the ice. He's the main reason the Flames top line is no longer a defensive liability.
     
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    I wouldn't say that makes him "by far"
    ...and this is not work, just homer talk.
     
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    Yeah, no.
     
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    Avatar bet he get more votes than Billy Nylander?
     
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    Burden of proof is on the accuser.

    Love that homer talk is: dude plays the first unit penalty kill. Where’s Willy on the PK and in late game protecting a lead? Stapled to the bench maybe?
     
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    Will Nylander even hit 20 points this year?
     
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    I agree.
    You said "by far"-show it.
     
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    What about next year?
     
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    You’ve made statements like ‘better defensively by far’, and ‘higher IQ by far’. Both statements are very, very questionable, and subjective at best. Typically, those confident in that statement would also be confident supporting it. You’ve balked at a request to elaborate, twice, which couldn’t be more telling... You’re just talking out of your ass.

    Lindholm wasn’t a late game stopper in his 3rd year either. Very few 3rd year players are, especially on a team as deep as the Leafs, and especially on a team coached by Mike Babcock. You’re now pointing to that as a reflection of his overall abilities?

    Can you not have an honest debate?
     

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