Elias Lindholm vs William Nylander

[sparxx87]

I'm sorry you seem to have a problem with objective statistics and numbers? Lol what are you even trying to imply with this post

Well, actually, numbers in sport require context. They’re absolutely subjective and you’ve presented them in a disingenuous way.

 

[FerklundCGY]

Ya because he would surely be doing this badly with a full training camp and having played the first two months. Be realistic

So you're telling me... that if he didn't miss training camp... it would be "realistic" to assume Nylander would have an extra 21 goals and 51 points in just 29 extra games to give him the same 23-37-60 total as Lindholm?

A total which would also surpass Tavares for 2nd best on the team despite never coming close to the career highs of Tavares offensively?

Yea, ok

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

Leafs fans being real sensitive.

Lindholm is going to have a better season than Nylander ever has, at $2 million less per year, yet apparently Nylander is the easy choice? Look, I get that this is a breakout season from Lindholm and he might not do it ever again, but he doesn't even have to have 80% of his production this year to be better than anything Nylander has ever done.

It's pretty hard not to take Lindholm here.

 

[JetsHomer]

Well, actually, numbers in sport require context. They’re absolutely subjective and you’ve presented them in a disingenuous way.

Yeah the context is Lindholm is on pace to triple Nylander's production

 

[DFF]

A number that Lindholm has never hit.

This thread is silly. Nylander is the easy choice.

Wait till Thursday night

 

[Hugh Mungus]

Lol I love when people literally spell out that they haven’t been watching and have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about. Everyone knows he stumbled out of the gate but he’s back to his usual self the past two weeks, and 6 points in last 5 games is headed in the right direction.

Don’t let the truth get in the way of your incoherent rambling.

And 5 of those 6 points came in 2 blowout games, maybe we're watching different players because the nylander I watch often is just floating around not really doing much. When he had 4 points in a quarter season there were basically no redeeming qualities in the way he was playing, keep misleading people with your "recent bias"

 

[Stamkos4life]

And 5 of those 6 points came in 2 blowout games, maybe we're watching different players because the nylander I watch often is just floating around not really doing much. When he had 4 points in a quarter season there were basically no redeeming qualities in the way he was playing, keep misleading people with your "recent bias"

Apparently the advanced stats say that nylander has been playing really well.

But I'm with you, other than for little bits he has been very bad

 

[The List Of Jericho]

So you're telling me... that if he didn't miss training camp... it would be "realistic" to assume Nylander would have an extra 21 goals and 51 points in just 29 extra games to give him the same 23-37-60 total as Lindholm?

A total which would also surpass Tavares for 2nd best on the team despite never coming close to the career highs of Tavares offensively?

Yea, ok

Your math is awful....your assuming that Nylander would have stunk all season. Let’s see what’s more sustainable...the consistent 60 point player or the guy that’s having a career year after never posting more than 45 points for 6 years. Don’t give me any of that he never played with good players crap either. He’s this year’s version of Josh Bailey and let me guess the other Flames numbers are high because of Lindholm right.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Yeah the context is Lindholm is on pace to triple Nylander's production

Just like Kyle Connor is owning Laine...hope he gets that fat check haha

 

[sparxx87]

And 5 of those 6 points came in 2 blowout games, maybe we're watching different players because the nylander I watch often is just floating around not really doing much. When he had 4 points in a quarter season there were basically no redeeming qualities in the way he was playing, keep misleading people with your "recent bias"

Or, maybe you’re being dishonest about how much you’re watching? Maybe you’re the one trying to be misleading? Seems a little suspicious that you’d actually be scouting Nylander as much as you claim. You’ve merely provided information that can be found in the box score?

You’re failing to account for what a leap it is to jump in when everyone else is already in a rhythm. There’s no question he was a little lost early on, but if you’ve actually been paying attention, he’s been looking like his old self for about two weeks now. You can lie and say otherwise, or you can try and focus on a small 20 game sample that’s a thing of the past, while discounting a much larger body of work... But that would again, be very disingenuous of you.

 

[Paper]

the consistent 60 point player

2 out of 3 seasons isn't consistent.

Besides, there's a lot of players that were "consistent" until they weren't. Neal was a consistent 20 goal scorer, actually consistent, for 10 years. Now he sucks after one season after getting his long-term contract.

 

[JetsHomer]

Just like Kyle Connor is owning Laine...hope he gets that fat check haha

Oh damn Kyle Connor's having an amazing season? Damn you sure owned me by pointing that out!

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Oh damn Kyle Connor's having an amazing season? Damn you sure owned me by pointing that out!

Ya while the Finnish floater is going to want a fat paycheck as well. You think Kyle will give them discount even though he’a having the much better year? How you ever got owned on those Matthews vs Laine debates lol. Heck he isn’t even better than Marner

 

[The List Of Jericho]

2 out of 3 seasons isn't consistent.

Besides, there's a lot of players that were "consistent" until they weren't. Neal was a consistent 20 goal scorer, actually consistent, for 10 years. Now he sucks after one season after getting his long-term contract.

Did you really just compare a 22 year old and a 31 year old? And used a rookie season where Nylander played 22 games to justify him not hitting 60 lol

 

[Paper]

I was using this season, the current one. Unless you think he's hitting 60.

 

[Tkachuky]

Can't wait for the delicious bump later on when this ages horribly.

Gaudreau VS Nylander aged nicely too eh?

 

[sparxx87]

2 out of 3 seasons isn't consistent.

Besides, there's a lot of players that were "consistent" until they weren't. Neal was a consistent 20 goal scorer, actually consistent, for 10 years. Now he sucks after one season after getting his long-term contract.

You’re right, it isn’t, and Nylander sucked in December and most of January... That’s two months of play after missing all of camp and the first two months of the season. You’re free to interpret that how you’d like... But... You can also understand why those who’ve watched virtually his entire pro career might be pretty confident in his ability going forward. Again, no question he struggled out of the gate, but he’s gotten better. A lot better. Now that he’s looking more like the player of old, it’s not really a thing anymore.

Nylander chose not to negotiate a bridge and chose to sit out. His punishment was falling on his face out of the gate (with 10 million in his pocket) .... but it’s kind all a thing of the past. His numbers this year will be an outlier provided he’s healthy and it’s a foot note on this season. He’ll will flirt with 70 and 80 points a few times in the next few years at 6.9m on a rising cap, and all these kids who blew their load on two months of hockey are going to look pretty silly.

Edit: re; James Neal - lol. The point of an example is to present it as likely, yet you’ve used an enigma in Neal? :headscratch:

 

[Paper]

And yet Lindholm isn't going to flirt with 70 or 80 points, but achieve it. While making 2M less...

 

[BowDownToVasilevskiy]

Lindholm

 

[sparxx87]

And yet Lindholm isn't going to flirt with 70 or 80 points, but achieve it. While making 2M less...

A contract signed after 5 seasons never eclipsing 16 goals or 45 points.

Presenting this as if Calgary was more astute in their contract negotiations would also be very disingenuous of you.

Lindholm is a good player and a very fair pick in this instance, but it’s also pretty fair to take the younger player with the better tools and higher upside.

 

[JetsHomer]

Ya while the Finnish floater is going to want a fat paycheck as well. You think Kyle will give them discount even though he’a having the much better year? How you ever got owned on those Matthews vs Laine debates lol. Heck he isn’t even better than Marner

What does any of this have to do with the fact that Lindholm is currently on pace for 96 points while Nylander is on pace for 37?

 

[sparxx87]

What does any of this have to do with the fact that Lindholm is currently on pace for 96 points while Nylander is on pace for 37?

The first two months were an outlier?

...unless you’re suggesting Nylander will be a 37 point player going forward? For that, you’d have to discount the player you’re watching right now, the pedigree, the talent, the IQ, and basically his entire body of work save for 6-7 weeks? ... of course you wouldn’t be doing that. That would be silly.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

What does any of this have to do with the fact that Lindholm is currently on pace for 96 points while Nylander is on pace for 37?

True, I guess Lindholm is better than Connor and Laine considering he is out pacing them as well. Care to trade either for him? Your attempts to discredit Leaf players are humourous.

 

[flamesforcup]

A number that Lindholm has never hit.

This thread is silly. Nylander is the easy choice.

He is 1 point behind that number right now with like 20 games left to play. Ill go out on a limb and say he will smash that. And that Nylander probably never gets as much points as Lindholm does this year. Than you take in the fact Lindholm smashes Nylander defensively like its not even close there. And the salaries make it even bigger gap. No sane person would take Nylander.

 

[Paper]

A contract signed after 5 seasons never eclipsing 16 goals or 45 points.

A contract that exists for the next 5+ seasons, just like Nylanders. Who cares how they got the contracts, just that they got those contracts today.

Again, take the player who's far better defensively, outproducing offensively and is making 2M less for the foreseeable future. It's not rocket science here.