Mobiandi
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what?People think we sold high on Ferland but I do not. I think he has a 40 goal season in him somewhere to go with multiple 30 goal seasons. I don't even think he was all that inconsistent as far as NHLers go. I believe he is going to be a Brad Marchand type superstar for the Hurricanes with an expanded role.
At least we didn't trade Bennett, though.
I cant even after reading this... Do you how know many 40/30 goals scorers there are in the nhl? And Marchand?? Dude is arguably top 5 winger in the league, ferland is a questionable 3 on the flames alone
I love Fox. Anyone that knows me will back this up, and I get he shouldn’t have been a throw in, but here’s how I see how everything went.
Treliving is talking to Waddell about Lindholm, knowing he needs a RW and Dougie is his main trading chip for various reasons. He also knows Dougie has far more value than just Elias and if he moves Dougie, it leaves a hole on D, hence enter Hanifin into the conversation. Hanifin checks the box of being a young core, controllable piece (as does Elias), all while having similar upside to Dougie.
Waddell isn’t just talking to Treliving though, he’s getting calls from multiple other GM’s. We know this because it was reported by LeBrun and multiple insiders. What I see happening is, Waddell and Tre agreed to the framework of the deal in, Dougie and Ferland for Hanifin and Lindholm. Fox was added sweetener by us as other GM’s were calling and bidding against us and Tre didn’t want this to fall through. Before the draft, Tre flat out stated that they submitted several formal offers to teams. So I think Fox was added last minute.
I think this is very probable or that Waddell requested he be in the deal. Either way, we needed to do this and are better off for it and I won’t lose sleep over someone who wasn’t going to sign here.
Apparently Lindholm had 1 goal after February second or something like that so it doesn't sound like he's the model of consistency.Not sure if I read it here or CP, but Ferland in all of 2018 had 6 goals, 4 to start the year, 2 in the final January, February, March and April combined. I think it was 2 goals in his last 37, 1 in his last 26, 0 in his last 10. It wasn't even Gaudreau who was propping him up (I mean it was), but it was Monahan more so. When Monahan was injured those last 25 games Ferland scored 2 goals (last 10 Monahan didn't even play which makes it 35). Mony is a huge reason why Ferland had the success he did. I can remember many occasions where Ferly's goals were assisted by Monahan.
Ferlands career high without Mony and Gaudreau was 18 points and when he played with them at the end of 2016-2017 he ended up with 25 points on the year.
Lindholm is a fairly significant upgrade on Ferland. He is at minimum a 40 point guy and with Mony and Gaudreau he should easily be a 60 point guy as Mony should push 70-80 next year (he would have this year if not for injury) and Gaudreau is above a PPG.
Ferland is a hell of a guy and I will miss him on the Flames (would be happy if we brought him back next year for the 3rd line), but my point is that we shouldn't be losing our minds in losing what is essentially a 3rd liner, especially when we are getting a better offensive guy.
Ferland was put out there as first line RW because he played good there for about 25 games. Its not even his natural position.I'm just so confused as to why trading a RW was required? Was there nothing else that could get this done? It's by far our weakest position so why did we have to include our 1st line RW? I understand including Fox, he basically holds no value to US since writing is on the wall he's not signing here, but Ferland was productive, fit the age group, tough and would fit great along side Bennett and Janko.
Just feels like we didn't upgrade enough on forward to justify the downgrade in defense, both on the team and in our prospect pool.
I think Kylington fits that mold better personally.Who’s going to be our future PP QB? I always thought that was Fox.
Andersson?
5th overall but he's more of playmaker than a sniper.Just curious as I know little about lindholm but a lot of people are suggesting lindholm and Ferland are a wash offensively. Ferland has 20+ goals due to being on the top line I don’t believe he does it again, however for his sake I hope he does.. but lindholm was taken 4 overall right? Surely there is a lot of upside there or is he peaked?
This is faked news. If he could return a first and reported BT was looking for a first, why wasnt there a deal?
Fox is overrated severely by some Flames fan. The guys has the upside of Marc Andre Bergeron and I am being generous.
I'm just so confused as to why trading a RW was required? Was there nothing else that could get this done? It's by far our weakest position so why did we have to include our 1st line RW? I understand including Fox, he basically holds no value to US since writing is on the wall he's not signing here, but Ferland was productive, fit the age group, tough and would fit great along side Bennett and Janko.
Just feels like we didn't upgrade enough on forward to justify the downgrade in defense, both on the team and in our prospect pool.
Who’s going to be our future PP QB? I always thought that was Fox.
Andersson?
Carolina Fan in Peace
Lindy and Hanifin are as soft as they come. Carolina has been the easiest team to play against physically the last couple of years and those two are a big reason why.
When we needed a big push after the all-star game, neither of these guys step up in any way shape or form.
As Bill Parcells once famously said "If they don't bite when they're puppies, they usually won't bite."
I didn't say BT could get a first for him I said he should return a first as in to the right team with the right GM dealing him even a 2nd would've been fine.This is faked news. If he could return a first and reported BT was looking for a first, why wasnt there a deal?
Fox is overrated severely by some Flames fan. The guys has the upside of Marc Andre Bergeron and I am being generous.
Hanifin has more 1D potential than Hamilton, who is never going to be a 1D because his defensive play is mediocre and and hasn't exactly improved by leaps and bounds. The only current drop off between the two is offensively.Does Hanifin have 1D potential? Sad to see Dougie go because he was going to be our 1D for the next years, but our FW depth is better with Lindholm replacing Ferland.
Unlucky that Tre couldn't pry a draft pick for Fox though.
Lindholm is a playmaker, not a goal scorer. So, sure he had 1 goal after Feb 6th, but he also recorded 14 assists in that time.Apparently Lindholm had 1 goal after February second or something like that so it doesn't sound like he's the model of consistency.
That's easy, I can explain it in 4 words.Why do you think a guy who's setting offensive records in the NCAA is MAB ceiling rather than Dan Boyle or Ryan Ellis?
KylingtonWho’s going to be our future PP QB? I always thought that was Fox.
Andersson?
Yeah, but I don't care.Has anyone who hates the trade considered Hamilton is pretty soft too?
I have a question. Off topic. Are we moving on from Versteeg? Have more kids play, or targeting someone like JVR?
I'd prefer JVR over Versteeg, but not sure what it would cost us. I really wouldn't want to go to long of a term on JVR.
I'm excited, this team needed a culture change. It wasn't all Gulutzan's fault. I'd rather we have movement than status quo.
It sucks when your non playoff team sits back and does nothing while the division keeps getting better around you.
Time will tell when this team hits the ice.
Cheers everyone, enjoy your Saturday night.
Why do you think a guy who's setting offensive records in the NCAA is MAB ceiling rather than Dan Boyle or Ryan Ellis?This is faked news. If he could return a first and reported BT was looking for a first, why wasnt there a deal?
Fox is overrated severely by some Flames fan. The guys has the upside of Marc Andre Bergeron and I am being generous.
Not that this isn’t a concern but Hamilton wasn’t exactly the epitome of physical play. He had height and size but rarely used it in a truly physical senseCarolina Fan in Peace
Lindy and Hanifin are as soft as they come. Carolina has been the easiest team to play against physically the last couple of years and those two are a big reason why.
When we needed a big push after the all-star game, neither of these guys step up in any way shape or form.
As Bill Parcells once famously said "If they don't bite when they're puppies, they usually won't bite."
Carolina Fan in Peace
Lindy and Hanifin are as soft as they come. Carolina has been the easiest team to play against physically the last couple of years and those two are a big reason why.
When we needed a big push after the all-star game, neither of these guys step up in any way shape or form.
As Bill Parcells once famously said "If they don't bite when they're puppies, they usually won't bite."
It means he's sticking to his sad pathetic shtick.What is this supposed to mean.
Yea, and I don't careHas anyone who hates the trade considered Hamilton is pretty soft too?
Lots of fanboy tears on here! Has anyone taken into consideration that it appears Hamilton’s name has been on the market for quite some time? This wasn’t a knee jerk trade and it appears this may very well have been the best offer available for Hamilton. It’s really starting to sound like a lot of the knocks we heard about Hamilton from Bruins fans were very much true. At the very least, he failed to build chemistry with his teammates, looking more and more like he may have been a problem in the locker room. Sure it sucks to lose a 25 year old, 40-50 point RD, but he’s also soft and not very good defensively. Hanifin actually has a higher projection and has produced at a high rate, at a younger age.Has anyone who hates the trade considered Hamilton is pretty soft too?
He's not a burner, but he's an agile skater. The only issues I see with him are related to size/strength (also the apparent source of any defensive issues I've seen).Size, Skating, Subpar defensively
I want to say, despite my buttload of anger, that Lindstrom and moreso Hanifin are decent, valuable players. I have nothing against them and I certainly don't hope they fail.
My previous is about who we lost (other than probably Fox, we really didn't have to) and how they compare with the return. I was a huge fan of Hamilton esp, brought a jersey and all, hated the rumors, etc. I'm pissed.
Ferland's inclusion in this is disappointing. This also indicates Fox wasn't re-signing here.
Adding Hanifin and Lindholm is still pretty exciting but it's debatable whether the Flames actually improved at all.
The website itself is off. At least for me on the phone everything's pretty broken.The amounts of posts disappearing is too damn high
I am not saying this is 100% accurate but what I heard is Dougie thought he was smarter than those around him. Including coaches, players and management. He thought Freddy should be in the line-up before others on the team.
Shannon eluded to it on the radio... The guys would go out for burgers and Dougie would go to the museum.
5th overall but he's more of playmaker than a sniper.
Wouldn't be surprising if Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm doesn't work out. Or maybe Monahan threatens 50 with two playmakers feeding him. We'll see.
Hamilton isn’t disruptive or hated in the room or by the media. He simply falls into the category of a player who isn’t bothered at all by losses, which rubs teammates and upper management the wrong way. Winning, and all the things necessary to do so, isn’t paramount to him. Conversely, Hamilton was clearly frustrated by the team’s decision to put his brother on waivers (after which he was claimed by the Arizona Coyotes) in January and did several things as the year wound down to demonstrate his unhappiness.
He's more comfortable on the left I would say
The amounts of posts disappearing is too damn high
My take on the recent Calgary Flames trade:
To Carolina:
Dougie Hamilton (RH RD) - 25 years old, 6’6”, 210lb. Drafted in the first round (9th overall) in 2011.
Hamilton is a very good offensive defense-man, who has often been prone to defensive gaffs and lazy, undisciplined penalties. He has played most of his career with Top D partners Zdeno Chara and Mark Giordano, who have covered for some of his defensive lapses. Despite being a big man, he plays quite a soft game. Beginning in Boston and continuing in Calgary; there have been persistent (though unsubstantiated) rumours that he doesn’t fit in well with his teammates. Signed to the end of 2020/2021 at $5.75M per.
Michael Ferland (LH LW/RW) – 26 years old, 6’2”, 208lb. Drafted in the 5th round (133rd overall) in 2010.
Ferland is a bottom 6 forward that played quite well with Sean Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau for several months. His career has been consistently inconsistent, a world beater one night, invisible the next. The physical play that he famously displayed against Vancouver in the 2015 play-offs has all but disappeared since his last concussion. Signed to the end of next season at $1.75M per, he will then be a UFA probably looking to at least double his salary.
Adam Fox (RH RD) – 20 years old, 5’11”, 181lb. Drafted in the 3rd round (66th overall) in 2016.
Fox is a good offensive defense-man who doesn’t appear to care much about his own end of the ice. He is a decent skater with great vision and elite passing skills. His size prevents him from having much of a physical presence. He has played for Harvard in the NCAA for the last two seasons and had refused to talk about contract offers from the Flames. This has led some people to believe that he intends to play out all 4 seasons in Harvard. He’d then become a UFA and could sign with the highest bidder.
To Calgary:
Noah Hanifin (LH LD) – 21 years old, 6’3”, 206lb. Drafted in the 1st round (5th overall) in 2015.
Hanifin is a talented “all-around” defense-man who has continued to improve every season. He seldom chips the puck out of the D zone; preferring to skate it out or pass it up to a forward. He is very skilled at O-zone entries; which should eliminate the need for some of the Flame’s “dump and chase” plays. Hanifin is projected to play on the 2nd pairing with veteran Travis Hamonic. This will allow Calgary to move TJ Brodie back to playing on Giordano’s right side, where Brodie had his greatest success. Hanifin is a RFA without arbitration rights coming off of an ELC ($925k Cap Hit, $1.775M AAV).
Elias Lindholm (RH C/RW) – 23 years old, 6’1”, 192lb. Drafted in the 1st round (5th overall) in 2013.
Lindholm is a hardworking, versatile, skilled forward who plays well in the “dirty areas”. He competes well in all 3 zones and has averaged a 52.7 FO% over 5 NHL seasons. His shot could use some improvement; while it is accurate, it’s not especially hard. He is projected to play at RW with Monahan/Gaudreau and will probably share face-off duties with Monahan, depending on which side the draw is. During his draft year, the Flames were reportedly just as interested in him as they were in Monahan. Lindholm is a RFA with arbitration rights coming off of a two year, $2.7M per contract.
Overall, I feel that this trade could benefit both teams, but I think that it will take 4 years before we know for sure.
If Carolina pairs Hamilton with Jaccob Slavin, they should have a great Top D pairing for at least 3 seasons. Ferland could help them out for at least one year; as he can play up and down their lineup. For the Hurricanes to win this trade, they would need to sign Fox and hope that he can become their PP quarterback 4 years down the road.
Among other things, Calgary apparently needed a dressing room shake-up and a Top 6 RW. I believe that it's "mission accomplished" on both of those items. They also got a little younger. Lindholm should be able to put up 50+ points playing with SM & JG, anything more will be a bonus. It will probably help that both players are very familiar with Calgary’s new coach (their old coach). For the Flames to win this trade, Hanifin will need to continue his steady development and come close to filling Giordano’s spot in 4 years.
“It hurt trading Micheal Ferland,” said Treliving of the 6-foot-2, 210-pound wrecking ball who frustrated many with his inconsistency.
“I love this kid. Sometimes the business part of the game gets in the way. He’s a UFA at the end of the year and he’s a good player and they make money.”
It's odd that that "we want guys who want to be here" comment that was initially reported as relating to Adam Fox is used here relating to Dougie Hamilton. Seems like the writer here is twisting things a wee bit.Treliving makes splash at NHL Draft by acquiring Hanifin, Lindholm
Treliving not exactly being subtle with his statements.
He's more comfortable on the left I would sayHurricanes fan coming in peace with a question about Ferland.
I’ve read that he primarily play at RW for Calgary, did he spend any time at all playing LW?
I see an unbalancing of the wing depth happening in Carolina, and was curious if Ferland could slot in on the left for us.
Thanks in advance, hope Noah and Lindy work out in Calgary.