Proposal: Eichel Mega Thread

[Fjordy]

Dumba is salary and value. Buffalo would be free to do whatever they wanted with him. Teams would be calling. If you’d rather we left him out and figured it out ourselves, the fine I guess, but he’s not going to be replaced by a ton more stuff.

The COVID thing is what it is. Maybe it kills the deal, maybe it doesn’t.

I like Rossi, but his current situation is quite risky and dangerous for trading and value, especially if we are trade Eichel.

I would ask for Kaprizov+, sorry, but for me there is no other option from Wild, and I would understand if Guerin did not want to trade Kaprizov, but it depends on his desire to get an elite 1C.

 

[57special]

meh when it comes to a player of Eichel's caliber and getting the 1C you desperately need those things really dont matter. And from my more petty side no Foligno no Eichel lol.

absolutely. If you can't be petty and childish when shopping Eichel, when can you be?

As someone who has BUF as one of my "other " teams, i would say that getting Foligno and Bjugstad is far better than Rask. Some Wild fans are kidding themselves that he is a good player because he has had a few good games while playing with Kaprizov, but really, he is the same level of player as Bjugstad, and is owed 4 times the amount of money for the remainder of his contract. Foligno is a good professional and leader, vg defensively, and is nice to have around when opponents start taking liberties with your players. IMO, he has improved since being traded from BUF.
So, its;
Dumba
Rossi
Foligno
Bjugstad(dump)
2 x 2021 1sts

for

Eichel
2021 2nd/Mittlestadt

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I like Rossi, but his current situation is quite risky and dangerous for trading and value, especially if we are trade Eichel.

I would ask for Kaprizov+, sorry, but for me there is no other option from Wild, and I would understand if Guerin did not want to trade Kaprizov, but it depends on his desire to get an elite 1C.

You like Kaprizov more than Rossi. It’s a defensible position.

 

[GuerinUp]

I like Rossi, but his current situation is quite risky and dangerous for trading and value, especially if we are trade Eichel.

I would ask for Kaprizov+, sorry, but for me there is no other option from Wild, and I would understand if Guerin did not want to trade Kaprizov, but it depends on his desire to get an elite 1C.

kaps not on the table, but i would consider a deal around fiala if it had to come to that. But youre either not going to get both 1sts, or rossi will be swapped with a center along the lines of khovanov

 

[GuerinUp]

swap Rask for Foligno

im okay with that.

 

[57special]

I like Rossi, but his current situation is quite risky and dangerous for trading and value, especially if we are trade Eichel.

I would ask for Kaprizov+, sorry, but for me there is no other option from Wild, and I would understand if Guerin did not want to trade Kaprizov, but it depends on his desire to get an elite 1C.

I know it's really early for Kaprizov, but so far, he looks like the real deal.
I would trade him and Dumba for Eichel, but not a whole lot more. No way I throw 2 1sts on top of that.

 

[57special]

kaps not on the table, but i would consider a deal around fiala if it had to come to that. But youre either not going to get both 1sts, or rossi will be swapped with a center along the lines of khovanov

No way that KK/Fiala gets added to Dumba+ 1st(s)+ Rossi. That's crazy talk.

 

[GuerinUp]

No way that KK/Fiala gets added to Dumba+ 1st(s)+ Rossi. That's crazy talk.

I was referring to fiala replacing dumba in the trade and rossi not being in it or one of the 1sts. Probably should have specified that. Either way fiala is going before KK ever will

 

[Fjordy]

You like Kaprizov more than Rossi. It’s a defensible position.

Rather, much more than Dumba, I would never want to see Dumba in the deal.

kaps not on the table, but i would consider a deal around fiala if it had to come to that. But youre either not going to get both 1sts, or rossi will be swapped with a center along the lines of khovanov

Then I don't see the deal. I don't like Dumba and generally would not want the defender to be in the deal for Eichel. I like Rossi, but his current situation does not look very good and it will be strange to trade for him as for the main part.
At the same time, it does not have to be the first two, but Kaprizov+ is necessary, Wild simply does not have such players to get Eichel, Fiala is not very interesting. I know perfectly well who Kaprizov is and have seen more than 100 of his gamess aw live and on TV, he is a stud.

I know it's really early for Kaprizov, but so far, he looks like the real deal.
I would trade him and Dumba for Eichel, but not a whole lot more. No way I throw 2 1sts on top of that.

I would not be interested in Dumba at all, I'd rather include Rask instead, but to get more value.

 

[DJN21]

absolutely. If you can't be petty and childish when shopping Eichel, when can you be?

As someone who has BUF as one of my "other " teams, i would say that getting Foligno and Bjugstad is far better than Rask. Some Wild fans are kidding themselves that he is a good player because he has had a few good games while playing with Kaprizov, but really, he is the same level of player as Bjugstad, and is owed 4 times the amount of money for the remainder of his contract. Foligno is a good professional and leader, vg defensively, and is nice to have around when opponents start taking liberties with your players. IMO, he has improved since being traded from BUF.
So, its;
Dumba
Rossi
Foligno
Bjugstad(dump)
2 x 2021 1sts

for

Eichel
2021 2nd/Mittlestadt

I'd do Mitts before a 2nd but I'm sure I'd have fellow Sabres posters disagree with me.

If I couldn't get LA to meet my wants or the Rangers to include Laf and some other enticing things this would be my fav offer for sure. Adding Dumba isn't necessary but we could recoup assets from trading Miller or montour etc which gives Dumba value beyond his actual value which is fine in and of itself.

 

[The Red Helmet]

No way that KK/Fiala gets added to Dumba+ 1st(s)+ Rossi. That's crazy talk.

This would be a terrible trade for the Sabres. Seriously there are 20 teams that could put together a better offer. There is not one piece in this offer that is guaranteed to be on the Sabres in 3 years.

Dumba is in his late 20's and will be a free agent two seasons after this. Why is he part of a deal involving Eichel? Trading Eichel is a sign of the Sabres rebuilding yet again, and the centerpiece of that trade is a defensemen who is approching 30 and will have to be re-signed before the Sabres are expected to be competitive again?

Then you have Rossi who hasn't played an NHL game and has had a very bad response to a Covid infection and a first or firsts. This deal isn't as bad as the ROR deal but it is in that territory.

 

[GuerinUp]

Rather, much more than Dumba, I would never want to see Dumba in the deal.


Then I don't see the deal. I don't like Dumba and generally would not want the defender to be in the deal for Eichel. I like Rossi, but his current situation does not look very good and it will be strange to trade for him as for the main part.
At the same time, it does not have to be the first two, but Kaprizov+ is necessary, Wild simply does not have such players to get Eichel, Fiala is not very interesting. I know perfectly well who Kaprizov is and have seen more than 100 of his games live or on TV, he is a stud.


I would not be interested in Dumba at all, I'd rather include Rask instead, but to get more value.

Well thats a problem in itself than isnt it? if KK is going that way 90% of the offered trade is getting thrown away. I understand your reasoning for wanting to include him, but at this point in his career he could very well turn out to be of equal value as eichel. and im not in the business of getting fleeced in trades.

 

[GuerinUp]

This would be a terrible trade for the Sabres. Seriously there are 20 teams that could put together a better offer. There is not one piece in this offer that is guaranteed to be on the Sabres in 3 years.

Dumba is in his late 20's and will be a free agent two seasons after this. Why is he part of a deal involving Eichel? Trading Eichel is a sign of the Sabres rebuilding yet again, and the centerpiece of that trade is a defensemen who is approching 30 and will have to be re-signed before the Sabres are expected to be competitive again?

Then you have Rossi who hasn't played an NHL game and has had a very bad response to a Covid infection and a first or firsts. This deal isn't as bad as the ROR deal but it is in that territory.

matt dumba is 26, hardly "late 20s"

 

[Fjordy]

Well thats a problem in itself than isnt it? if KK is going that way 90% of the offered trade is getting thrown away. I understand your reasoning for wanting to include him, but at this point in his career he could very well turn out to be of equal value as eichel. and im not in the business of getting fleeced in trades.

Come on man, I'm a big Kaprizov fan, but he's not likely to be as good as Eichel and he's not the center. He will probably be a great top 6 winger at 65-70 points, but a little later. It's just that if there is no Kaprizov in the deal, then some other teams can beat your offer. Rossi is still a question mark, and we don't really need Dumba, I saw Wild fans trade him for a guy like Frost.

 

[The Red Helmet]

matt dumba is 26, hardly "late 20s"

I thought he was 27 my mistake. The centerpiece for an Eichel trade imo has to be a forward 19-22 that is already pretty good with potential to get better.

If the Sabres do trade Eichel, Dumba will be 30 by the time the Sabres are realistically going to be playoff contenders so he doesn't even remotely fit the timeline. Also, Dumba will have to be re-signed in that time if the Sabres want to keep him, which considering how bad the Sabres have been and are likely to be the next coupler years, would be a tough sell or the Sabres would have to hand out yet another terrible contract.

A competent GM wouldn't be looking for guys like Dumba in a Eichel deal unless he is about to fleece another GM and there are a couple other pieces more valuable than Dumba coming your way in the deal.

 

[fingerpainter]

Lol, at those saying someone is untouchable (ie Suzuki) when it comes to the possibility of adding Eichel.

 

[Fjordy]

I thought he was 27 my mistake. The centerpiece for an Eichel trade imo has to be a forward 19-22 that is already pretty good with potential to get better.

If the Sabres do trade Eichel, Dumba will be 30 by the time the Sabres are realistically going to be playoff contenders so he doesn't even remotely fit the timeline. Also, Dumba will have to be re-signed in that time if the Sabres want to keep him, which considering how bad the Sabres have been and are likely to be the next coupler years, would be a tough sell or the Sabres would have to hand out yet another terrible contract.

A competent GM wouldn't be looking for guys like Dumba in a Eichel deal unless he is about to fleece another GM and there are a couple other pieces more valuable than Dumba coming your way in the deal.

This

 

[Kibe]

3 way deal:

BUF Konecny, Sanheim, Frost, York
PHI Gaudreau, Hanifin, Zary, Pelletier, Cgy 1st
CGY Eichel

 

[Guffman]

So, I was just skimming through the Sabres roster and I see you have 7 years committed to Skinner @ 9M AAV. He’s got 1 point in 14 games. LMAO!

What a train wreck.

If you’re going to trade Eichel, a 24 year old centre, you’re tearing this down. Ideally, you’re keeping him but if he wants out of this bleep show (I don’t blame him), you’re rebooting this team yet again with high end prospects/draft picks.

 

[57special]

BUFF has to make up their mind. Do you want a deal made up mostly of futures, with all that entails, or players in the league now, understanding that it's near impossible to get a one for one deal for Eichel. Closest might be Gaudreau and Monahan, in that case. The LA deal above is nice, but is almost all futures. The MN deal is a mix of good NHL players with no age or health issues, and futures.

 

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

im okay with that.

There's no way foligno is going anywhere soon after being signed in January to 3 years extension. Guerin loves him too much, & it's unrealistic to think foligno is going anywhere anytime soon.

Want eichel, but dude has 2 goals, & -10 on the year playing with Taylor hall

 

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

Come on man, I'm a big Kaprizov fan, but he's not likely to be as good as Eichel and he's not the center. He will probably be a great top 6 winger at 65-70 points, but a little later. It's just that if there is no Kaprizov in the deal, then some other teams can beat your offer. Rossi is still a question mark, and we don't really need Dumba, I saw Wild fans trade him for a guy like Frost.

Kaprizov is untouchable. He's not going anywhere. he's wild Franchise player. Has more goals, & is a plus- better than eichel this year.

Like get real. Wild, not a good team, & rookie is playing better than eichel

 

[Fjordy]

BUFF has to make up their mind. Do you want a deal made up mostly of futures, with all that entails, or players in the league now, understanding that it's near impossible to get a one for one deal for Eichel. Closest might be Gaudreau and Monahan, in that case. The LA deal above is nice, but is almost all futures. The MN deal is a mix of good NHL players with no age or health issues, and futures.

This will be the decision of the owners and the GM.

But I would prefer something like that as a basis:

Suzuki + Caufield/Romanov + 1st
Kaprizov + Rossi/Boldy + 1st
Tuch + Glass + 1st

Not necessarily in this form, but a player under 25 year, who can already produce, a top 10 level prospect and 1st round, maybe two 1st. Gaudreau, Monahan, Zibanejad and similar guys probably won't suit us because of their age and term.

 

[Fjordy]

Kaprizov is untouchable. He's not going anywhere. he's wild Franchise player. Has more goals, & is a plus- better than eichel this year.

Like get real. Wild, not a good team, & rookie is playing better than eichel

Maybe because Eichel is playing with an injury? Or have you forgotten that Eichel was 95 points in pace last season on a team like Buffalo? Then there is no deal.

 

[Kingspiracy]

I'd offer Byfield, 1st rounder this year, Mikey Anderson (Doughty's partner) and Kupari from LA.

I wouldnt