Confirmed Signing with Link: Eeli Tolvanen [NSH] signed. Max bonuses, European assignment clause

maplepred

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LOL. Try again! I'll give you a hint. Name starts with T, ends with olvanen. You know, the player who hasn't proven anything in the NHL vs. two of the current top stars in the NHL.

So by your definition, when the oilers drafted McDavid, they would have been lucky to trade him for the likes of a Huberdeau or a Kopitar because those guys had proven they can handle the NHL already.

Dude, look at the numbers and compare them in pre NHL, and watch their games. Your the only person fighting this, has Tolvanen done something to offend you?

Sure he is not in the NHL yet, but as I said, neither was McDavid before he played..
 

Legend123

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So by your definition, when the oilers drafted McDavid, they would have been lucky to trade him for the likes of a Huberdeau or a Kopitar because those guys had proven they can handle the NHL already.

Dude, look at the numbers and compare them in pre NHL, and watch their games. Your the only person fighting this, has Tolvanen done something to offend you?

Sure he is not in the NHL yet, but as I said, neither was McDavid before he played..
McDavid and tolvanen in the same rgument no less the same sentence. LMAO!
 
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Merya

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Laine has a great shot in his own right, but Tolvanen is one of the best sniper wingers Finland has ever produced bordering on generational by finnish standards. Only really Selanne comes to mind as competition and he relied more on speed and IQ while shooting is the best attribute of Tolvanen. There are several questionmarks in Tolvanen's game, however his shot is not one of them. Ask any scout if you don't take my word on it.

I watched every Jokerit game of the season. Tolvanen definitely doesn't have a better shot than Laine. However Tolvanen seems to have a more complete game than Laine had at the same age. Better vision/hockey IQ in the big rink also, hardly ever got hit for example.
 

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So by your definition, when the oilers drafted McDavid, they would have been lucky to trade him for the likes of a Huberdeau or a Kopitar because those guys had proven they can handle the NHL already.

Dude, look at the numbers and compare them in pre NHL, and watch their games. Your the only person fighting this, has Tolvanen done something to offend you?

Sure he is not in the NHL yet, but as I said, neither was McDavid before he played..
So now you're saying Tolvanen is as good a prospect as McDavid? I like Tolvanen a lot, he's a top 5 prospect, but some hype him like he's a guaranteed NHL superstar already.

I'm not the only reasonable person saying Tolvanen is not to be considered in the same breath as Barkov and Laine. He's proven nothing in the NHL yet and while he may become a star, he may also become just an average player. We don't know yet, hence doesn't make sense to put Tolvanen in the same conversation as Laine and Barkov.
 

maplepred

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McDavid and tolvanen in the same rgument no less the same sentence. LMAO!
i was using him as an example. some guys here just dont get it and always wanna argue. or have an "rgument" as you said.

Ok so dont use McDavid as the example since it is above your head. lets use Hischier. So would you have traded Hischier for Bryan Little because Little has played in the NHL and been good?
 

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i was using him as an example. some guys here just dont get it and always wanna argue. or have an "rgument" as you said.

Ok so dont use McDavid as the example since it is above your head. lets use Hischier. So would you have traded Hischier for Bryan Little because Little has played in the NHL and been good?
Big difference here. Hischier was a 1 OA and was a better prospect than Tolvanen before playing his 1st NHL game and Little was never as good as Laine and Barkov.

I don't like Tolvanen's chances of turning out to be as good as either Barkov or Laine. He might but I definitely wouldn't bet on it.
 

Legend123

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i was using him as an example. some guys here just dont get it and always wanna argue. or have an "rgument" as you said.

Ok so dont use McDavid as the example since it is above your head. lets use Hischier. So would you have traded Hischier for Bryan Little because Little has played in the NHL and been good?
I would never trade huby or kopy for Tolvanen. Period.
 

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Now list the rest of the 9 forwards...
Laine,
Barkov,
Tolvanen,
Rantanen,
Aho,
Teräväinen,
Koivu,
Granlund,
Haula,
Puljujärvi,
Filppula,
Donskoi

+ Komarov as specialist of "getting to your nerves"

Bottom 6 specialize in defence. And we have Rinne, Rask and Saros as our rotating goalies.
 

Legend123

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Maybe he should have substituted in Marner.
How is tolvanen anywhere close to marner?? Damn! how ppl value prospects is beyond me. Marner is still super young, around the same age as T but doing real well in the NHL.
 

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How is tolvanen anywhere close to marner?? Damn! how ppl value prospects is beyond me. Marner is still super young, around the same age as T but doing real well in the NHL.

T is 18y, I wouldn't blame fans or the team not wanting to trade him, unless someone goes crazy.

He's had an elite season and can add that deadly sniper element into Nashville's roster, and on ELC money for the next 2+ years.
 

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Yeah sure would suck to make a cup contender even better. Because chances to win it aren’t rare.
Tolvanen would be nice for a cup run as added depth but he’s not going to be the reason we win it. Would rather take the chance and play him 9 games than lose someone really good in a few years when the whole team is in its prime
 
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Tolvanen would be nice for a cup run as added depth but he’s not going to be the reason we win it. Would rather take the chance and play him 9 games than lose someone really good in a few years when the whole team is in its prime

As much as I see that side of it, man it’s hard to forget something like this, and wish maybe just maybe the 4th liner with the chance here was a rookie with the kinda skill and hands a Tolvanen has.

 

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T is 18y, I wouldn't blame fans or the team not wanting to trade him, unless someone goes crazy.

He's had an elite season and can add that deadly sniper element into Nashville's roster, and on ELC money for the next 2+ years.

Potential $3.775M of ELC money though if he lives up to the hype (and then some), but it's been getting crowded in the league Top10 lately for everyone with potential to fit in. The high AAV is still of some consideration even if you can roll over the possible bonus-caused overage to next year's cap.

Who were those hitting their ELC Schedule B bonuses last season on Top10 stats? McDavid and Draisaitl in P, A and PpGP (Drai dropping Eichel out of PpGP Top10 in his last game); Matthews and Laine in G?
 
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BB88

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Potential $3.775M of ELC money though if he lives up to the hype (and then some), but it's been getting crowded in the league Top10 lately for everyone with potential to fit in. The high AAV is still of some consideration even if you can roll over the possible bonus-caused overage to next year's cap.

Who were those hitting their ELC Schedule B bonuses last season on Top10 stats? McDavid and Draisaitl in P, A and PpGP (Drai dropping Eichel out of PpGP Top10 in his last game); Matthews and Laine in G?

That's still ELC.

Laine hit something like 1.8M last year.
 

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Now list the rest of the 9 forwards...

Mikko Rantenen, Sebastian Aho, Teuvo Terevainen, Kasperi Kapanen, Henrik Borgstrom, Jesse Puljujarvi. Artturi Lehkonen, Janne Kuokannen, Mikka Salomaki.

Of the younger guys.

Plenty of older Finns as well.
 

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That's still ELC.

Laine hit something like 1.8M last year.
Yes, but almost $4M in AAV, rather than the usual (bonusless) ELC max of $0.925M.

Laine's $850k in Schedule A and $1.8M in Schedule B (which he will hit also this season) certainly will give Jets some thinking re: cap. They can roll it over to count against the next year's cap rather than this year's, but they're better to hope that cap goes up if they do.
 

BB88

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Yes, but almost $4M in AAV, rather than the usual (bonusless) ELC max of $0.925M.

Laine's $850k in Schedule A and $1.8M in Schedule B (which he will hit also this season) certainly will give Jets some thinking re: cap. They can roll it over to count against the next year's cap rather than this year's, but they're better to hope that cap goes up if they do.

And again he's just on ELC, just like McDavid is on ELC, Eichel is on his ELC, Matthews is on his ELC, they all have potential bonuses but today they are kids on ELC.

Tolvanen is not going to hit all of the bonuses, maybe he hits barely any of them, and if he hit 100% of those bonuses his real value would be 8M+, but again he's on ELC with 4M max.
 

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And again he's just on ELC, just like McDavid is on ELC, Eichel is on his ELC, Matthews is on his ELC, they all have potential bonuses but today they are kids on ELC.

Tolvanen is not going to hit all of the bonuses, maybe he hits barely any of them, and if he hit 100% of those bonuses his real value would be 8M+, but again he's on ELC with 4M max.

100% sure Tolvanen hits Schedule A bonuses. And Schedule B either get triggered or not, you can't hit them partially right?
 

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100% sure Tolvanen hits Schedule A bonuses. And Schedule B either get triggered or not, you can't hit them partially right?
He might hit icetime, 20 goals and All-Rookie team, but he's not gonna touch the other schedule A bonuses.
 

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100% sure Tolvanen hits Schedule A bonuses. And Schedule B either get triggered or not, you can't hit them partially right?
They don't exactly make them public but usually if a player hits any of the League-paid bonuses listed in CBA Exhibit 5, it also unlocks the full amount of his agreed-on Schedule B bonuses.

Whenever B bonus clause has been made public, it's been "$1.8M for any following achievements: League Top 10 in Goals, Assists, Points...." etc (a 2OA example with $1.8M B-bonus)

So if he gets four achievements like McDavid does, it's tough luck because he hits the aggregate cap of $2M after one.
 
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mouser

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They don't exactly make them public but usually if a player hits any of the League-paid bonuses listed in CBA Exhibit 5, it also unlocks the full amount of his agreed-on Schedule B bonuses.

Whenever B bonus clause has been made public, it's been "$1.8M for any following achievements: League Top 10 in Goals, Assists, Points...." etc (a 2OA example with $1.8M B-bonus)

So if he gets four achievements like McDavid does, it's tough luck because he hits the aggregate cap of $2M after one.

Schedule B is going to be extremely difficult to hit, bordering on impossible.

The bigger question is if he can hit 4x Schedule A bonuses. And I agree there’s a good chance he only gets 2-3 of them. It’s rare for even the best players to score 4x Schedule A bonuses on an ELC.
 

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