Elks: Edmonton Eskimos 2018 v3

[joestevens29]

I dunno how you can say their offense wasn't that great... they scored 40 and put up some 375 yards.

And with jones' D, if they can score 20 points they should have a shot to win every game.

They're certainly on the upswing, imo.

It was one rushing TD, 2 defensive TD's and 6 field goals

 

[bone]

I dunno how you can say their offense wasn't that great... they scored 40 and put up some 375 yards.

And with jones' D, if they can score 20 points they should have a shot to win every game.

They're certainly on the upswing, imo.

Yardage for both teams was a wash. (382-370). The difference was turnovers (5-1) particularly since two of the turnover lead directly to 15 points and a third gave them a short field for another 7 points. 22-0 in points off turnovers is a big advantage.

However, it was a solid outing for their offense overall. Between the two offenses, I think the big difference was that Saskatchewan didn't get many 2 and outs, and as such were able to make a bunch of field goals, whereas Calgary was stuffed regularly (especially in the first half), but when they would get a couple first downs in a row, they took it to the house.

 

[iCanada]

It was one rushing TD, 2 defensive TD's and 6 field goals

Oh, I'm sorry I forgot that those methods of scoring points didn't win football games?

I mean, they aren't going to line up a 6 minute drive with 9/9 completions to score a TD from their own 20 like we've done all year... but they have much stronger defensive schemes and aren't getting tossed around like a rag doll at special teams. They are stingy and don't bend or break and force turnovers all game every game.

 

[bone]

Oh, I'm sorry I forgot that those methods of scoring points didn't win football games?

I mean, they aren't going to line up a 6 minute drive with 9/9 completions to score a TD from their own 20 like we've done all year... but they have much stronger defensive schemes and aren't getting tossed around like a rag doll at special teams. They are stingy and don't bend or break and force turnovers all game every game.

I don't think he's saying those methods don't contribute to winning. He's just challenging your argument about the quality of their offense because of scoring 40 points when many of those 40 points occurred (15) when they the offense wasn't even on the field and 7 were a result of the defense getting them the ball at Calgary's 30. That's all.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I dunno how you can say their offense wasn't that great... they scored 40 and put up some 375 yards.

And with jones' D, if they can score 20 points they should have a shot to win every game.

They're certainly on the upswing, imo.

One TD was an interception return picksix. Another was a punt block for TD.

You can't really rely on that type of scoring. I think the Bombers did one year.

Riders need some offensive tools and as much as the broadcast was ecstatic about a Collaros revival he sure flat out missed some gravy tosses out there for pts.

That said I certainly respect the Riders potential. I think the Esks are in tough against that club.

I can see Winnipeg falling to last place.

I think the finish in the west this year is

Calgary
Sask
Edm
BC
Winnipeg

Although the last 4 will all be close.

 

[joestevens29]

I don't think he's saying those methods don't contribute to winning. He's just challenging your argument about the quality of their offense because of scoring 40 points when many of those 40 points occurred (15) when they the offense wasn't even on the field and 7 were a result of the defense getting them the ball at Calgary's 30. That's all.

Pretty much this. Right now the Roughriders have 5 passing TD's and 4 rushing TD's. At some point that is going to have to change if they are to battle it out in the West.

Luckily for the Roughridres they are playing a weaker team this weak and can build on this week's game

 

[guymez]

But it also works the other way. The Eskimos now have some film on Pipkin. He had a decent game, but if they ever get a chance to line up against him again, it could be different for him. And not in a good way.

Totally fair point.

 

[guymez]

And they somehow did it without that superstar, Duran Carter!

For sure...makes one wonder just how much of an internal distraction he was.

 

[joestevens29]

Montreal used 6 QB's already this year?

 

[MoneyGuy]

He’s back!

Esks sign R Sam Giguere.

 

[Cloned]

We should offer significant money for Jon Ryan. He just got released by the Seahawks today. He’d improve our special teams instantly...

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

We should offer significant money for Jon Ryan. He just got released by the Seahawks today. He’d improve our special teams instantly...

Probably, I wonder if he could place kick as well?

 

[Cloned]

Probably, I wonder if he could place kick as well?

AFAIK he's a punter only.

 

[Cloned]

Sunderland SHOULD have a lot of cap space based on how the offseason went, and since it's looking unlikely that Zylstra is coming back this year, he probably won't need the "reserve" cap space, so just sign Ryan for the remainder of this season at big money.

 

[Stoneman89]

He’s back!

Esks sign R Sam Giguere.

Game changer.

 

[Stoneman89]

We should offer significant money for Jon Ryan. He just got released by the Seahawks today. He’d improve our special teams instantly...

Can he run back kicks? Block downfield? Tackle? Devise better schemes for both runbacks and coverage? Because those are the areas we need help in.

 

[Cloned]

Can he run back kicks? Block downfield? Tackle? Devise better schemes for both runbacks and coverage? Because those are the areas we need help in.

One step at a time. There are a number of issues with our special teams, not the least of which are extremely poor kickoffs and punting. The schemes and overall play haven't been good either, but it doesn't help when your kicker spots the other team's returner a 15-20 yard advantage with his lack of leg.

 

[joestevens29]

How the f*** is it so hard to find a kicker.

 

[Stoneman89]

One step at a time. There are a number of issues with our special teams, not the least of which are extremely poor kickoffs and punting. The schemes and overall play haven't been good either, but it doesn't help when your kicker spots the other team's returner a 15-20 yard advantage with his lack of leg.

I think a kicker is pretty far down the list of issues on this team, and special teams in particular.

O'Neill is 2nd in punting average.

On kickoffs, there is about a 3 to 4 yard average difference in most of the kickers.

You'll need to clarify what you mean by spotting the other team 15-20 yards because I'm not seeing it.

 

[Cloned]

I think a kicker is pretty far down the list of issues on this team, and special teams in particular.

Whyte is great, Hugh is terrible and routinely sets this team back 15-20 yards every time he kicks off or punts. It is not a good thing when he kicks off and the returner catches the ball already at his own 20 yard line. The goal should be to tackle him at the 20 yard line or before, and you can’t do that if he’s starting already at the 20.

 

[Stoneman89]

Also, Ryan is a punter, not a kickoff guy, so signing him doesn't change anything there.

 

[Cloned]

I think a kicker is pretty far down the list of issues on this team, and special teams in particular.

O'Neill is 2nd in punting average.

On kickoffs, there is about a 3 to 4 yard average difference in most of the kickers.

You'll need to clarify what you mean by spotting the other team 15-20 yards because I'm not seeing it.

Not sure where you’re getting your numbers from.

CFL website has Hugh tied for LAST in kickoff averages for kickers who do regular kickoffs. His longest kickoff this year is 70 yards which is last in that category.

He’s also 4th in punting average, although punting average doesn’t mean as much since often times direction and pinning is more important than straight distance. I will say that based on the eye test Hugh doesn’t have a strong leg so he can’t get a huge punt when it’s needed. He also isn’t great at pinning.

He has two jobs on this team and he doesn’t do either very well.

 

[MoneyGuy]

I remember when O'Neill played for the Uof A Bears and was regarded as a sure-fire NFL'r.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I think a kicker is pretty far down the list of issues on this team, and special teams in particular.

O'Neill is 2nd in punting average.

On kickoffs, there is about a 3 to 4 yard average difference in most of the kickers.

You'll need to clarify what you mean by spotting the other team 15-20 yards because I'm not seeing it.

Me neither. Its not the actual kicking itself that is hurting us, its the returns other clubs get vs the returns we don't get. Also that we take a lot of penalties on our returns meaning that we are often farther back than the opponent even punted the ball. I don't mind O' Neill. Whats not to like? he's placing the ball fairly well, our kick coverage isn't so great.

 

[Gord]

I agree that the esks should better spend their money. while O'Neil isn't the best kicker, he's ok and far down the list of problems with the team.