Elks: Edmonton Eskimo Thread 3.0 : (12 - 6) 3rd in the West - Western Final Vs Calgary up next

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Stoneman89

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I've said this before and we'll have to wait and see. But Maas is not necessarily Sunderman's choice. He was the leftover after Hervey got canned. Way too late to get a different coach then, even if he wanted to. And then with the amount of injuries this team suffered but still in the mix, he couldn't look to replace him mid-season either, despite his antics. We'll find out this off season as to whether Mass is really Sunderlands "guy".
 
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Well I'm a Riderfan and I come in peace... I was cheering bigtime for the Esks in this one - Reilly is my favorite player. Maas has been an embarrassment all year with his screaming and nonsense on the sidelines, but last night took the cake. We had a houseful for the Rider / Argo game that stayed for supper to watch the Esks / Stamps, and everyone was instantly blown away by that stupid call. Case in point, Argo's are 3rd and 5 in the Riders end with 90 seconds left, went for it, got it, then won the game. Mass HAD to go for it, worst case you don't get it and you're WAY better off anyways. Dumbest call I have ever seen. Ever.
 
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Maybe it's good that we have only one week until the Grey Cup game instead of two like for the Super Bowl game. There is less time to mull over such disappointing games like that. I'm feeling crushed this morning. I wish Maas would own the call and admit he made a mistake instead of trying to justify a bonehead call. I can imagine how Reilly et al are feeling. Sherritt worked his tail off to try to be ready for the big game and now this.
 

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That's one hell of a lot of things to have the faith to go right for you. Really blind and stupid faith.
This nails it. AS does the "but you had no faith in going for it on 3rd and 3 from the 13 yd line? In Maas mind theres no distinction between 1 act of faith turning to fruition vs having to have a series of faiths turn?

This kind of "faith" thinking pisses me off even more because it hilites a coach who doesn't even think logically, isn't even on that plane.

Its rational decision making vs faith and opting for the latter in the context of a strategic sport.

Its like a person jumping from a cliff and saying I have faith, god will look after me..

Just of a smaller note the Esks also once again did something that pissed me off at the coin toss. They deferred possession and the wind. This too is overthinking. Football is a score momentum sport. You want to front run, you want to have the lead it builds confidence. So I could never understand why you defer possession and wind advantage. Sure the esks got the lead anyway but with one more possession at the start maybe its even more of a lead before Calgary settles into the game.

One last thought. I'll admit to having a bone chilling feeling that when it was 14-0 and Calgary fumbled the ball on the return and managed to get it back that could be the one that allowed Stamps to get back in this game. Just a feeling I had at the time. The other was that the Esks two first scores were easy and that the Stamps would nail it shut after that. But a third quick score and who knows.
 

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Wondering what would be the best way to get a message out to Reilly and the team should fans want to to that. I really feel strongly that the players could use some fan support and kind words from the fans of appreciation and kudos. The players on the field didn't lose this, they fought valiantly.

I mean theres seldom rallies of any kind for a loss but is there a public event or picture taking or locker room clearout that people could attend and offer their condolences?

I would definitely take part.
 

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I am sooo glad I didn't watch the end of the game. I turned it off when Calgary caught up and said "That's all folks". When I read the comments on here I was very skeptical about the comments thinking people were over-reacting...until I saw the highlights. WTF was Maas thinking? Go for it on 3rd and 4 and even if you fail, you still got a chance at the ball coming back! What a moron! I want him off the Eskimos team this offseason. There is no room for crap and inexcusable decisions like that. Reilly looked pissed in his interview too even though he said he has 'faith' in the coaching staff.

Also **** you Singleton you piece of scum. At least Bo Levi Mitchell was nice enough to say no comment. Now I REALLY want the Stamps to fail badly. Ugh this Grey Cup will be the worst Grey Cup in a while to watch.
 

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Maas reminds me of the teenager who wracked up the family car. He shrugs it off as miscalculation when clearly he was negligent. There were warning signs all year about the maturity issue so I can't say I'm surprised.

Predictably, the Calgary media are busting a gut laughing over this and it will be a long week for me walking around town having to listen to this. Thankfully, I have a large supply of paper bags to wear over my head.

Well, as I said before, congratulations to a team that fought through so many horrific injuries. To come that close with this kind of incompetence on the sidelines speaks volumes about the team's courage.
 

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I mean theres seldom rallies of any kind for a loss but is there a public event or picture taking or locker room clearout that people could attend and offer their condolences?

I would definitely take part.
Dressing room sale....it's a week or two after the Grey Cup game.
 

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So no press conference has been called yet to announce Maas' firing I guess? This organization is unbelievable. AFAIC, Sunderland has until 2 o'clock to make what should be the easiest decision of his life, or he can GTFO as well.
 

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Maas reminds me of the teenager who wracked up the family car. He shrugs it off as miscalculation when clearly he was negligent. There were warning signs all year about the maturity issue so I can't say I'm surprised.

Predictably, the Calgary media are busting a gut laughing over this and it will be a long week for me walking around town having to listen to this. Thankfully, I have a large supply of paper bags to wear over my head.

Well, as I said before, congratulations to a team that fought through so many horrific injuries. To come that close with this kind of incompetence on the sidelines speaks volumes about the team's courage.
Maturity, yep. I'm old enough to remember a time where headcoaching was the abode of the seasoned sage. Somebody that had been around football longer than Maas is old. But in these new modern times, and not just in football, theres this thinking that fresh blood should be the new management and coaching and out with the old.

But you really wonder about the wisdom of that ultimately. I don't mean just in sports. I see this all over. Its trotted out that fresh seniority is better, that it brings novel ideas and direction. It brings a lot of stupid rookie mistakes into the equation as well. What occurred yesterday is exactly why you want a seasoned savvy vet as headcoach that has been there before and knows everything inside out about football, about football decision disasters, about overthinking, etc.

As for the Calgary media they ought to be laughing. I hope they laugh so hard that the Esks org realize they have Frankenidiot driving the sedan into the ditch and have no choice to fire him or be the laughingstock until they do and thereafter.

As I stated before all Esks fans would laugh if Calgary folded due to a headcoaching decision like that. We wouldn't stop talking about it, and its that bad, this will be brought up forever. The only saving grace is that it didn't occur during a Grey Cup in which case it would be talked about for eons even more.

The thing is that for anybody not connected to the Esks theres nothing else to do but laugh. Its an embarrassment to the EE that this occurred.

This is worse than Dallas Eakins. There, I said it..;)
 

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So no press conference has been called yet to announce Maas' firing I guess? This organization is unbelievable. AFAIC, Sunderland has until 2 o'clock to make what should be the easiest decision of his life, or he can GTFO as well.

Did you honestly think that they were going to fire Maas or is your post in jest?
 

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i remember sitting at the first game of the year in BC complaining about how stupid Maas was to not go for 2-pt late in the game. I kept asking myself, 'can this guy do math?' , 'is this gonna cost us later on in the season?'. It was mind boggling.

I will stew over this for a while. The only (lame) solace i take is that the Stamps dropped like 7 easy passes (one for a td) that woulda salted the game way earlier. It's good that Maas made himself this obviously inept to management.
 

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i remember sitting at the first game of the year in BC complaining about how stupid Maas was to not go for 2-pt late in the game. I kept asking myself, 'can this guy do math?' , 'is this gonna cost us later on in the season?'. It was mind boggling.

I will stew over this for a while. The only (lame) solace i take is that the Stamps dropped like 7 easy passes (one for a td) that woulda salted the game way earlier. It's good that Maas made himself this obviously inept to management.

We get rid of Hervey, who I consider brilliant, and we have Jason Maas retained, who has quite clearly been outed as an idiot. We have management in the fold that made these decisions and that ought to know intimately who these people are and what their respective abilities are.

Then we have Rhodes stating. "Theres more to football than winning" after this specific debacle.

Is that the smoking gun. Is that the message from Rhodes Scholar that anybody that continues to care about this club should reconsider and just cancel their STH. This is the message from management after their headcoach just tossed the result in the Western Final all on his own, into the trashbin. To the Stamps of all things.

Yeah, theres more than just winning, there's losing, and as Edmonton fans are quite acquainted with. The losing doesn't stop with Maas either, it seems infused in the management of this org.

A lot of ex Eskimos feel the same way.
 

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Sadly, I did not. This organization just doesn't operate like most normal teams do. Wishful thinking on my part.
One thing I like about the NFL is that they usually part ways with coaches the day after the playoff loss and they don't bother debating it. It's not very humane but at least its cut and dried. No such luck here, it just doesn't work that way in the CFL.
 

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So to their credit Terry Jones and Eric Francis both blasted the Jason Maas decision in the EJ today. I can't find the links yet as with the Journal its hard to link or find until the day after.

They both cut through the discombobulated *logic* of Maas slicing it into swiss cheese, full of holes. Its actually good reading and a lot of the same questions expressed. Francis even went as far as saying well if you gamble on the 13 and lose its still better.


Now I'm not saying fire Maas out of reaction I'm saying he can't be a head coach because he outed that he does not have the rational approach of a headcoach, That he deferred to some odd notion of faith instead of making the obviousl and logical, and mathematical call.

I don't see much wrong with Singletons comments;

"I thought they were disrespecting our offence, To think they could come out and stop them after we rushed for 150yds in a half with 1;40 left was a bad call imo.."

I do however have new found respect for Mitchell, and for Dickenson who deferred comment.

I have new found disgust for Messam who taunted the Eskimos bench before, during, and after the game. I thought somebody was going to punch him in the face. This, essentially, being one of the reasons few clubs want Messam around.

Stamps were classy in victory, except for Messam, who was again ugly.

I'm now hoping for the Argos. Something I won't say often..
 

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So to their credit Terry Jones and Eric Francis both blasted the Jason Maas decision in the EJ today. I can't find the links yet as with the Journal its hard to link or find until the day after.

They both cut through the discombobulated *logic* of Maas slicing it into swiss cheese, full of holes. Its actually good reading and a lot of the same questions expressed. Francis even went as far as saying well if you gamble on the 13 and lose its still better.


Now I'm not saying fire Maas out of reaction I'm saying he can't be a head coach because he outed that he does not have the rational approach of a headcoach, That he deferred to some odd notion of faith instead of making the obviousl and logical, and mathematical call.

I don't see much wrong with Singletons comments;

"I thought they were disrespecting our offence, To think they could come out and stop them after we rushed for 150yds in a half with 1;40 left was a bad call imo.."

I do however have new found respect for Mitchell, and for Dickenson who deferred comment.

I have new found disgust for Messam who taunted the Eskimos bench before, during, and after the game. I thought somebody was going to punch him in the face. This, essentially, being one of the reasons few clubs want Messam around.

Stamps were classy in victory, except for Messam, who was again ugly.

I'm now hoping for the Argos. Something I won't say often..
Here you go
Terry Jones: Questionable coaching decision costs Edmonton Eskimos
Botched call by Esks coach a show of disrespect, says Stamps' Singleton
 
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I am sooo glad I didn't watch the end of the game. I turned it off when Calgary caught up and said "That's all folks". When I read the comments on here I was very skeptical about the comments thinking people were over-reacting...until I saw the highlights. WTF was Maas thinking? Go for it on 3rd and 4 and even if you fail, you still got a chance at the ball coming back! What a moron! I want him off the Eskimos team this offseason. There is no room for crap and inexcusable decisions like that. Reilly looked pissed in his interview too even though he said he has 'faith' in the coaching staff.

Also **** you Singleton you piece of scum. At least Bo Levi Mitchell was nice enough to say no comment. Now I REALLY want the Stamps to fail badly. Ugh this Grey Cup will be the worst Grey Cup in a while to watch.

Your anger at Singleton is sadly misplaced. He is right.

More importantly Maas also disrespected Mike Reilly and the offence. He decided that it was better to take the ball out of Mike Reilly's hands at the Stampeder 13 yard line.
 

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After coming to my senses a bit since yesterday I have softened a little bit on this provided Maas takes full blame for his indefensible stupidity. IF he does that then I think there might be an argument for him to keep his job.

Stomeman probably posted the most important statement in this thread regarding Maas....Sunderland didnt hire him.

So I think that how Maas deals with the fallout of his stupidity is very very important. Especially considering how Maas so poorly managed his emotions when his assistants made mistakes. Mistakes that were no where near the level of what Maas did yesterday.

All that being said I am not convinced that Sunderland has the power to fire Maas who is a Rhodes hire. Assuming Sunderland has the power to fire Maas the other concern being I dont know who could be brought in to coach this team.
 

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One thing I like about the NFL is that they usually part ways with coaches the day after the playoff loss and they don't bother debating it. It's not very humane but at least its cut and dried. No such luck here, it just doesn't work that way in the CFL.

Exactly. There is no need to mull it over. NCAA is the same way. USC escorted Lane Kiffin off the team bus FFS. The fact that the axe has not yet dropped confirms everything we already suspected about Dirt Rhodes and company.
 

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After coming to my senses a bit since yesterday I have softened a little bit on this provided Maas takes full blame for his indefensible stupidity. IF he does that then I think there might be an argument for him to keep his job.
I wrote a long-winded post this morning before my browser crashed on me but it basically was this. Right now all respect I have for Jason Maas is gone. It's been waning over the course of the season after so many tantrums and ridiculous coaching calls, but last night takes the cake. Cowboy up, swallow your pride, get a microphone and just admit it was the wrong call and he made a mistake calling it. That is all most people expect here. Instead we get arrogance and ignorance and that's just insulting to not only the fans, but the players he's supposed to lead and guide.

I still can't fathom what happened yesterday. I keep reliving that moment in my head...
 
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After coming to my senses a bit since yesterday I have softened a little bit on this provided Maas takes full blame for his indefensible stupidity. IF he does that then I think there might be an argument for him to keep his job.

Stomeman probably posted the most important statement in this thread regarding Maas....Sunderland didnt hire him.

So I think that how Maas deals with the fallout of his stupidity is very very important. Especially considering how Maas so poorly managed his emotions when his assistants made mistakes. Mistakes that were no where near the level of what Maas did yesterday.

All that being said I am not convinced that Sunderland has the power to fire Maas who is a Rhodes hire. Assuming Sunderland has the power to fire Maas the other concern being I dont know who could be brought in to coach this team.

The interesting thing is you would think Rhodes would dislike Maas since he seems to be all about the organizations community image and doesn't seem to care at all about team success.

Last night aside, Maas has been successful as a HC but a total PR nightmare in his tenure to date.
 
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