Proposal: Edmonton-Calgary

[Soundwave]

Neal's contract is actually worse IMO unless he bounces back.

There's far more actual salary owing on his deal, Lucic by next July 1 has a pretty small amount of actual salary left owing.

The NMC issue is also overblown with regards to Seattle for example, Lucic *wants* to be in the Pacific Northwest/Vancouver area, lol, it's perfect that there just happens to be an expansion team opening up shop right in the area he wants to be in.

Lucic still provides a physical element to your team if he's not scoring, Neal provides nothing if he's not scoring.

 

[tmurfin]

Neal's contract is actually worse IMO unless he bounces back.

There's far more actual salary owing on his deal, Lucic by next July 1 has a pretty small amount of actual salary left owing.

The NMC issue is also overblown with regards to Seattle for example, Lucic *wants* to be in the Pacific Northwest/Vancouver area, lol, it's perfect that there just happens to be an expansion team opening up shop right in the area he wants to be in.

Lucic still provides a physical element to your team if he's not scoring, Neal provides nothing.

It's worst if the teams poor. But the Flames are cap strapped, so cap is king before dollars right now.

 

[Soundwave]

Neal's remaining actual salary left from today is $28.75 million (5.75 mill per annualized)

Lucic's remaining actual salary left from today is $16 million (4 mill per annualized)

That's a pretty big difference.

 

[Kahvi]

You are aware that Neail is one year older and got outscored by Lucic last year?

Both are terrible contracts but Lucic has intangibles. The last memory of neal was his lazy backcheck that got the Flames eliminated from the playoffs.

Intangibles like NMC that means he has to be protected in the next expansion draft?

 

[DFF]

Neal's remaining actual salary left from today is $28.75 million (5.75 mill per annualized)

Lucic's remaining actual salary left from today is $16 million (4 mill per annualized)

That's a pretty big difference.

Nobody cares (well maybe except Melnyk but he aint picking up Lucic no matter what)....Caps and NMC matter more.

 

[Soundwave]

Nobody cares (well maybe except Melnyk but he aint picking up Lucic no matter what)....Caps and NMC matter more.

Cap doesn't matter to cap floor teams which is where junk contracts go, so actually I think you have that backwards.

It matters a lot in these cases. Contending teams that are tight against the cap aren't taking either Lucic or Neal.

 

[McShogun99]

Where's the 1st round pick attachment? The Flames aren't the Oilers' cap trash spot.

Calgary is adding a 1st??? Done!!!

So Edmonton gives up Lucic, Manning, Gagner and a 3rd and Calgary gives up Neil, Stone and a 1st. This totally works for Calgary because they get tougher.

 

[DFF]

You are aware that Neail is one year older and got outscored by Lucic last year?

Both are terrible contracts but Lucic has intangibles. The last memory of neal was his lazy backcheck that got the Flames eliminated from the playoffs.

He sure did one more point in 16 more games....woo hooo

Also, dont forget, it's Neal's first bad year....he may or maynot bounch back

Lucic is already on the streak for badness...so he got Neal beat on that too LMAO.

 

[Soundwave]

He sure did one more point in 16 more games....woo hooo

Also, dont forget, it's Neal's first bad year....he may or maynot bounch back

Lucic is already on the streak for badness...so he got Neal beat on that too LMAO.

Lucic still has value if he's not scoring, as no one wants to engage with him physically and he can keep a team from getting too stupid and out of line ... Neal doesn't bring anything to the table if he's not scoring other than being a liability on the ice.

 

[DFF]

Cap doesn't matter to cap floor teams which is where junk contracts go, so actually I think you have that backwards.

It matters a lot in these cases. Contending teams that are tight against the cap aren't taking either Lucic or Neal.

Except there is no floor team looking to pick up Lucic but nice dream though LMAO.

 

[Soundwave]

Except there is no floor team looking to pick up Lucic but nice dream though LMAO.

In a situation where both have to be moved in the next year or two, a cap floor team would likely be more inclined to want Lucic's contract over Neal's because there's far less actual money the owner has to pay.

It's almost $13 million dollars more for Neal, that's not a token amount to money conscious owner.

 

[DFF]

Lucic still has value if he's not scoring, as no one wants to engage with him physically ... Neal doesn't bring anything to the table if he's not scoring other than being a liability on the ice.

Oh yes, Lucic is really helping with that playoff push...good luck

 

[Soundwave]

Oh yes, Lucic is really helping with that playoff push...good luck

Well the Flames got dummied pretty good in the playoffs in part because they are as soft as Charmin toilet paper, James Neal did what exactly?

At least with Lucic in the lineup, largely speaking McDavid and Draisaitl have not been hurt and team's don't go over a certain line. Case in point the one game McDavid does get an injury in was the one game Lucic didn't play.

 

[DFF]

Well the Flames got dummied pretty good in the playoffs in part because they are as soft as Charmin toilet paper, James Neal did what exactly?

At least with Lucic in the lineup, largely speaking McDavid and Draisaitl have not been hurt and team's don't go over a certain line. Case in point the one game McDavid does get an injury in was the one game Lucic didn't play.

I agreed. Edmonton should keep him. You should tell McDavid that he'd get injured if Lucic is not in the lineup...lol

 

[Soundwave]

I agreed. Edmonton should keep him. You should tell McDavid that he'd get injured if Lucic is not in the lineup...lol

I mean by and large teams let McDavid and Draisaitl play their game without doing anything too stupid, I do think that is in part because they don't want to deal with an issue where Lucic is looking to murder someone on their roster.

To get out of the either Neal or Lucic's deals is likely going to require them being dumped onto a cap floor team at some point, no contender has just a ton of open cap sitting around that they'd invest in either one.

So in that scenario, Lucic is $13 million dollars less in actual salary than Neal ... that's not a small amount.

Neal's contract is worse.

 

[Mr Sakich]

He sure did one more point in 16 more games....woo hooo

Also, dont forget, it's Neal's first bad year....he may or maynot bounch back

Lucic is already on the streak for badness...so he got Neal beat on that too LMAO.

You missed neal's o for in the playoffs.

Both are trending down badly. Imo, there is very little hope for 32 year old power forwards who are on that slope. I think both will put up 4th line offensive numbers this year (less than 30 pts) but at least lucic will be an enforcer.

 

[Some Other Flame]

Neal's remaining actual salary left from today is $28.75 million (5.75 mill per annualized)

Lucic's remaining actual salary left from today is $16 million (4 mill per annualized)

That's a pretty big difference.

Your math is all oily.

Neal has 4 years left at 5.75M per or 23M total.

Lucic's salary for the next 4 years totals 19M but he's due a 3M bonus for the upcoming season. If that's been paid, then yeah, 16M left.

 

[IIxGURUxII]

Why would Edmonton do this...
Neal has 31 points the last 2 seasons combined... Lucic has 38..
And the Oilers add??!!??

 

[Soundwave]

Your math is all oily.

Neal has 4 years left at 5.75M per or 23M total.

Lucic's salary for the next 4 years totals 19M but he's due a 3M bonus for the upcoming season. If that's been paid, then yeah, 16M left.

Yeah I was off, but it's still a significant difference ... $7 million dollars isn't chump change to a cap floor team.

Lucic's bonus has already been paid on July 1.

 

[FameFlame069]

To Calgary
-Klefbom
-Yamamoto
-Lucic

To Edmonton
-Future considerations

Cap ^ Neal and Stone and Frolik and I'd say yes

 

[McRpro]

Why would Edmonton do this...
Neal has 31 points the last 2 seasons combined... Lucic has 38..
And the Oilers add??!!??

Not sure where you learnt math but your numbers are way wrong.

 

[DearDiary]

Cap ^ Neal and Stone and Frolik and I'd say yes

The return would be far less if you add cap dumps going the other way

 

[Kahvi]

You missed neal's o for in the playoffs.

Both are trending down badly. Imo, there is very little hope for 32 year old power forwards who are on that slope. I think both will put up 4th line offensive numbers this year (less than 30 pts) but at least lucic will be an enforcer.

what exactly Lucic has been enforcing lately?

 

[Seachd]

Intangibles like NMC that means he has to be protected in the next expansion draft?

We have no idea if this will matter at all. There’s a very good chance it won’t.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Lucic still has value if he's not scoring, as no one wants to engage with him physically and he can keep a team from getting too stupid and out of line ... Neal doesn't bring anything to the table if he's not scoring other than being a liability on the ice.

Hahahahaha