Proposal: Edmonton & Arizona

Discussion in 'Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk' started by rt, Apr 7, 2021.

  1. ConnorMcNugesaitl Registered User

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    I'm not either but it is what it is, they don't have the cap space or assets to be true contenders this year regardless if it's Smith, Koskinen or Kuemper in goal so just enjoying good Smith while he's here.
     
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    I like this. I'd accept for Edmonton. We need to sign both Barrie and Larsson and if moving Bear makes that more plausible (needs wise) I'm good with that. I think Holland see's the importance of signing Larsson and Barrie. Plus we have Bouchard needing a full time spot next year and hugely upgrade on Koskinen. Demers is ok for playoff depth/serviceable bottom pairing D at this point, expiring contract. Done deal for me.
     
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    Kuemper is the best player in the deal don't kid yourself. Yes there's injury concerns and only 1 year remaining but he's the best player in the deal.
     
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    Why not just do kosk for kemp?
     
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    1) You're right about Smith. Edmonton needs an upgrade but not at the cost of Bear. The analytics on Bear are *outstanding* and he's only 23. Bear alone is worth far more than a goalie (and I really like Kuemper).
    2) Koskinen has a .925 sv% since Smith has come back. He's a fine 1A/1B when he doesn't have to carry the entire load. Again, Edmonton would like to improve here but not at the cost of Bear.
    3) "I don’t think you’d like the price on Garland." --> I don't think you'll have a say if it's an offer sheet. I can't imagine Arizona wants to spend big bucks during the COVID era of revenue losses.
     
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    Well, I’ve got one really good reason in mind. Can you guess it? :)
     
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    I'm shocked that this thread made two pages. Usually balanced trade proposals die right away.

    As an Oilers fan it would sting to lose Bear as he has some potential and a local favourite but a Kuemper/Smith tandem is pretty solid. Don't think it would hurt having Bouchard on the 3rd pair
     
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    That one year left and injuries might make him the 2nd most valuable player in the deal though.
     
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    Why would Arizona not give up their better goalie for our worse goalie straight across you mean? Hmm, I wonder.
     
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    Good offer
    Would hate to lose Bear but it’s not like Arizona will just give Kuemper away
     
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    You don’t move Barrie when we are in the playoffs even if he is not the best defensively.
    I am not as high on Bear like most, I would send Bear and Jones for this deal would they take Turris also
     
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    That may be true if it were not for Keumpers injury issues. I actually think this is pretty fair.
     
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    I know the guy is a legit #1 goalie, but I can't call him the best player when I have no faith he can play a full season.. like ever. Such a damn shame.
     
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    This reaction seems overblown. Kuemper had a bad injury this year that’s been exasperated by the condensed nature of the schedule. He had a bad injury last year but was back before the playoffs. I’m not aware of a disastrous injury history prior? Antti Raanta has a MUCH bigger injury problem.

    I think there’s only 25, or so, goalies with more starts than Kuemper since 2017-2018. And Kuemper didn’t begin that season as the starting goalie. He took the job from Raanta that year.

    Kuemper has had some injury issues. But I don’t think it justifies melodramatic exaggerations like I’m seeing creep up in this thread. It’s a factor for sure. But it’s not what defines him like it is with Raanta. It’s not even close.
     
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    this seems like kind of an odd cherry to pick. so, for the last 4 years, with at least 40 games played... so, and avg of 10 games per year?
    sorry, I like Kuemper, but if he can't stay on the ice, which he hasn't shown he can, he's not worth a ton.

    this trade feels like it's saying what Kuemper would get if he were a healthy player.. which would be more in line with the value being floated. but, unfortunately, he's not a regularly healthy player
     
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    That’s not cherry picking at all. It’s weeding the outliers. It’s guys who’ve played at least a season. Not guys with who got called up a played a few games. If you make it greater than 100 games it doesn’t change the ranking for Kuemper. Your criticism would only make sense if I was doing a less than filter. Not a greater than filter. What you’re saying doesn’t make any sense at all.
     
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    I hardly call my post melodramatic, if that is what you are implying. The fact Kuemper has been injured a lot in the past and is currently on the IR is definitely a fair concern when discussing his worth. Absolutely valid.
     
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    so since 2017 Kuemper has played the following amount of games:
    19
    10
    55 (this wasn't even a full season healthy)
    29

    so what did I say doesn't make sense?
     
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    Hooo boy. Ya gotta work on that reading my man.
     
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    no, you need to realize what healthy and injury prone mean
     
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    The numbers you posted are wrong. Not even close to accurate. You seem unable to decipher them or follow the conversation, even when accurate numbers are supplied. I’m going to go ahead and add you to my ignore list and we won’t have to go through this any longer. Good luck, friend!
     
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    I hope the rest of your 90k posts aren't as dumb as this one.:)
     

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