Proposal: Edm - Pit

Discussion in 'Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk' started by Darren McCord, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:58 AM.

  1. Borgir Registered User

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    Us Pens has have already witnessed enough of the Neal clown show, we don't need an encore performance.
     
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    I had him for a year, don't need to tell me twice.
     
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    Pittsburgh passes.
     
  4. McJesusSaves97 I see the light

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    I don't think this is the type of deal we should be looking at if we are moving Klef or Nurse...
     
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  5. Soggy Biscuit Why is Jack Johnson?

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    Pens dont really need it though. Letang, Dumoulin, Marino, Pettersson is a good top 4 and the Pens have other areas they need to address with the few disposable assets they have.
     
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    And Stanley cup are won by 1 player ? I guess the measuring a good player is base on cup’s gotcha. Kevin Lowe has more value then any Pens player ever .
     
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    this is bad for the oilers minus the couple pens fans saying otherwise.

    klefbom is by far the most valuable piece. they also have to retain on Neal and take back a #7 with a brutal contract and the best piece coming back is a goalie who lost his job to Jarry and will command 5mil ?

    yikes
     
  8. BHD 50 Trades of J

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    The inclusion of Johnson makes me think about doing this (and yes, I totally expect Oilers fans to say no way). Otherwise, pass.

    Neal didn't even hit 20 goals during the regular season while playing a ton next to McDavid. There's even an article by Jonathan Willis of The Athletic on why the Oilers should buy him out. So yeah, no thanks. The Pens would be better off with what McCann gets through arbitration, and still have Murray.
     
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  9. BHD 50 Trades of J

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    No, but Dumoulin stabilized the Pens' defense. He was paired with Letang against the Caps during the first run, and they've been together ever since. Here's a sense of how important Dumo is, the Pens had the worst top pair in the league when Johnson (yes, the one in this proposal) stepped in for him last season.
     
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    If the Oilers trade Klefbom or Nurse, it would be for a top 6 skilled winger. It should not be for an overrated goalie with ugly underlying numbers.

    The Oilers need a solid 1B upgrade over Smith. Trading one of your better players for Matt Murray? Yikes. Once the centrepiece is dismantled, the rest of this deal falls apart.
     
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    God awful for the Oilers. Matt Murray recently proved he is hot garbage.
     
  12. Empoleon8771 I apparently hit on people through PMs

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    This website is so dumb that it's actually funny :laugh:

    Asking this website to evaluate goaltending is like asking a high school dropout to evaluate the economy.
     
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    Asking any fan to be honest about a player they are trying to trade is so dumb it's actually funny.

    Matt Murray 2019/20
    GP 38
    W 20
    L 11
    T/O 6
    GAA 2.87
    SV% 0.899 (league average 0.910 so this is fugly)
    Quality Starts 16
    Quality Start % .421 (Good > .60%; Bad < .50% so this is beyond bad)
    Quality Start % Career .518 (limbos just above the BAD threshold for his entire career)
    Goals Saved Above Average -11.60 (amongst the lowest in the league and 15.78 be;ow the most famous zamboni driver in the NHL)

    But sure these tools available to all to evaluate goaltenders are wrong when you're trying to dump Murray. SMFH.
     
  14. Empoleon8771 I apparently hit on people through PMs

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    If the extent of your goaltending evaluation skills is only looking at their hockeyreference page and regurgitating their numbers from their last season, then yeah, your goaltending evaluation is downright dog shit.

    If the extent of your ability is to puke up numbers from 1 season and make sweeping generalizations and hyperbolic comments based on them, you probably shouldn't comment on goalies because you're obviously clueless when it comes to them. Murray is a good, but inconsistent, starter coming off a bad year. Any explanation like "he's a trash goalie" shows you're absolutely clueless with what you're talking about. It's exposing yourself as having no knowledge about Murray or goaltending in general beyond looking at what his hockeyDB page says for his most recent season.
     
  15. Empoleon8771 I apparently hit on people through PMs

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    For real, it actually amazes me how this website thinks it can makes such absurd and sweeping statements based on nothing but looking at a single row of data on HockeyDB or Hockey Reference. What specifically in Murray's game makes him "hot garbage"? What flaws did he have in his game last year? What are his strengths and weaknesses? What does he need to do to improve? Why did he have such a bad year last year after having such a good year in 2018-2019?

    The people screaming "MURRAY SUCKS!" can't answer a single one of those questions. This isn't trying to sugarcoat what he did last year, he was downright terrible last year. But good players can have bad years, and it doesn't make them bad players. Especially considering that it's much easier for goalies to have a bad year than for skaters to have a bad year. If the extent of your evaluation talent is posting a row of numbers from hockey reference, while knowing basically nothing about his play style and what caused him to have those bad numbers, don't make sweeping generalizations based on those numbers.
     
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    Why is Pitts trying to trade 26 year old 2 time Staley cup winning goalie if he is so great? You have 2 Rfa goalies that could be moved why pick the one with the better resume?

    Hint: I think his stats have something to do with it.
     
  17. Empoleon8771 I apparently hit on people through PMs

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    Because the salary cap is a thing.

    The Penguins have virtually no cap space this off-season. With just re-signing their RFAs, they have about $4 million in space. They can decide to go with Jarry and likely have a little bit of cap space left over, or they can go with Murray and have to cut even more money out from what they already have. I think going with Jarry over Murray in a vacuum is a mistake, but the salary cap is dictating that decision.
     
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    Well no, not even close to garbage, but the proposed trade is terrible for Edmonton.
     
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    Fans can not like a trade proposal or not necessarily want to acquire a player without resorting to idiotic hyperbole about how bad the player supposedly is. A lot of people on HF can't seem to do this.
     
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