Confirmed with Link: [EDM] Oilers sign Jason Garrison, Alex Chiasson (1 year, $650k)

[StevenF1919]

Maybe Davidson wanted a fresh start?

Then there are still other players who would likely be better than Garrison. We should have just brought Auvitu back.

Because of the low PDO I just mentioned.

His xGF was dogshit too. He sucks man. His CF% QoC was the second lowest on the team that year and he was still last on Tampa in pretty much every category.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Ah, well, that seems to be the case. oh well, at least the Oilers got a worse D man, that's what really matters here.

Oilers could get Karlsson and you would complain about it anyways.

 

[StevenF1919]

Oilers could get Karlsson and you would complain about it anyways.

Because stockpiling garbage players when you're already in a precarious cap situation is comparable to acquiring the best dman in the NHL huh? All these small moves add up. A couple million overpay and NMC for Russell, an overpay for Lucic, an overpay for Kassian, and overpay and NMC for Koskinen, an overpay for Draisaitl, a needless Gryba buyout, an overpay for Caggiula, etc. Before you know it, you're right up against the cap and contract limit with a boatload of crap players and a ton of holes in the lineup.

Death by a thousand cuts.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Yup. Only about $60k over.

I think they should be able to sign Chiasson to a similar contract and be under the cap by sending down Pulju or Yam on paper.

We'll be under when Sekera hits LTIR as well, won't we?

 

[McDNicks17]

His xGF was dog**** too. He sucks man. His CF% QoC was the second lowest on the team that year and he was still last on Tampa in pretty much every category.

His xGF is low simply because his possession numbers were poor. It's already been explained why that was the case.

And his TOI% QoC(a far more accurate gauge of QoC) was third on the team. He was playing on the second pairing against second pairing competition.

I'm curious if that original graphic was from a Dellow article. Really seems like his(and the other advanced stats bloggers) style of click bait analytics. Come to a conclusion, find some numbers, frame them so they seem more important than they are(i.e. stats from two years ago), provide the numbers that support it and ignore the context that disproves it.

 

[McDNicks17]

We'll be under when Sekera hits LTIR as well, won't we?

Yeah, but ideally you want to get under the cap before you place Sekera on LTIR.

 

[VainGretzky]

I think Chaisson will be next....at League minimum.
The team is at 46 contracts (47 with Chiasson) and having Chiasson and Garrison for a combined total of $1.3M is good value IMO.

Good call on Chiasson

 

[Cloned]

His xGF is low simply because his possession numbers were poor. It's already been explained why that was the case.

And his TOI% QoC(a far more accurate gauge of QoC) was third on the team. He was playing on the second pairing against second pairing competition.

I'm curious if that original graphic was from a Dellow article. Really seems like his(and the other advanced stats bloggers) style of click bait analytics. Come to a conclusion, find some numbers, frame them so they seem more important than they are(i.e. stats from two years ago), provide the numbers that support it and ignore the context that disproves it.

Problem with sports analytics in general is that everyone is usually working from a presupposed observation/conclusion from on-field play already before they hit the actual analysis.

It's not like most other mathematical or scientific investigations where the outcome is generally and genuinely unknown before the investigation starts.

 

[StevenF1919]

His xGF is low simply because his possession numbers were poor. It's already been explained why that was the case.

And his TOI% QoC(a far more accurate gauge of QoC) was third on the team. He was playing on the second pairing against second pairing competition.

I'm curious if that original graphic was from a Dellow article. Really seems like his(and the other advanced stats bloggers) style of click bait analytics. Come to a conclusion, find some numbers, frame them so they seem more important than they are(i.e. stats from two years ago), provide the numbers that support it and ignore the context that disproves it.

His possession numbers were poor because he sucks. I'm not arguing that he wasn't playing on the second pairing, I'm arguing that he got his teeth kicked in when he played. Icetime isn't an accurate measure of quality of a player. Just go look at Cody Ceci, or Dan Girardi with the Rangers if you don't believe me.

That graphic is from hockeyviz. The stats are from the past two seasons because he only played 8 games last year (I wonder why). If you think a sample size of a couple preseason games against AHLers is more relevant than a full season of NHL hockey two years ago then you're free to believe whatever you want.

 

[Senor Catface]

His possession numbers were poor because he sucks. I'm not arguing that he wasn't playing on the second pairing, I'm arguing that he got his teeth kicked in when he played. Icetime isn't an accurate measure of quality of a player. Just go look at Cody Ceci, or Dan Girardi with the Rangers if you don't believe me.

That graphic is from hockeyviz. The stats are from the past two seasons because he only played 8 games last year (I wonder why). If you think a sample size of a couple preseason games against AHLers is more relevant than a full season of NHL hockey two years ago then you're free to believe whatever you want.

That doesn't sound very analytical

 

[McDNicks17]

His possession numbers were poor because he sucks. I'm not arguing that he wasn't playing on the second pairing, I'm arguing that he got his teeth kicked in when he played. Icetime isn't an accurate measure of quality of a player. Just go look at Cody Ceci, or Dan Girardi with the Rangers if you don't believe me.

That graphic is from hockeyviz. The stats are from the past two seasons because he only played 8 games last year (I wonder why). If you think a sample size of a couple preseason games against AHLers is more relevant than a full season of NHL hockey two years ago then you're free to believe whatever you want.

They're irrelevant numbers. Different year, different team, different role, different player.

It'd be like bringing up Lucic's numbers from two years ago to prove he's going to be great this season.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Yeah, but ideally you want to get under the cap before you place Sekera on LTIR.

Well, its done. Bear down. Sekera to LTIR. Bear back up. Under the cap.

 

[Little Fury]

They're irrelevant numbers. Different year, different team, different role, different player.

Is the assumption that those numbers for an older player would be better here on a worse team?

 

[McDNicks17]

Is the assumption that those numbers for an older player would be better here on a worse team?

The assumption is you're at best guessing how #3D minutes on Tampa two years ago translates to #6/7D minutes on Edmonton this year.

 

[StevenF1919]

That doesn't sound very analytical

Sometimes you need to rely on the eye test

They're irrelevant numbers. Different year, different team, different role, different player.

It'd be like bringing up Lucic's numbers from two years ago to prove he's going to be great this season.

It's relevant for figuring out whether or not an aging player is past it. He sucked two years ago, sucked in his 8 games in Vegas last season, and then played the rest of the season in the AHL. His last decent season was in 2014-2015. Being on a new team isn't going to suddenly make him good again.

 

[Little Fury]

The assumption is you're at best guessing how #3D minutes on Tampa two years ago translates to #6/7D minutes on Edmonton this year.

I wonder why this guy signed a league minimum contract for what should be a part time gig on one of the shallowest D groups in the league, it must be because he's really good.

 

[StevenF1919]

The assumption is you're at best guessing how #3D minutes on Tampa two years ago translates to #6/7D minutes on Edmonton this year.

He got destroyed playing #6/7 minutes in Vegas last year, and then was promptly sent down. He was also 4th in ES TOI/GP, barely ahead of Sustr.

 

[McDNicks17]

He got destroyed playing #6/7 minutes in Vegas last year, and then was promptly sent down. He was also 4th in ES TOI/GP, barely ahead of Sustr.

He was playing in the top4 with Miller and Schmidt when he was called up.

And he was the #3D in Tampa. Dotchin is above him because he played with Hedman after Stralman was injured.

 

[StevenF1919]

He was playing in the top4 with Miller and Schmidt when he was called up.

And he was the #3D in Tampa. Dotchin is above him because he played with Hedman after Stralman was injured.

Hockeyviz ice time charts show him as 6th in TOI during the games he was called up: http://www.hockeyviz.com/fixedImg/defenderIcetime/1718/VGK/

 

[CupofOil]

So I see that Brandon "Oiler legend to some" Davidson is still a thing around here.

 

[McDNicks17]

Hockeyviz ice time charts show him as 6th in TOI during the games he was called up: http://www.hockeyviz.com/fixedImg/defenderIcetime/1718/VGK/

Is there a visual for 5v5?

He played 16:30 5v5 minutes per game and basically split his time right down the middle with Miller and Schmidt.

 

[McDNicks17]

So I see that Brandon "Oiler legend to some" Davidson is still a thing around here.

The funny thing is Garrison is apparently trash because of a -10.3 relGF% two years ago, but Davidson(who had a -11.06 relGF% last season) would have been way better.

 

[PaPaDee]

Geez... some of you have too much time on your hands if you're this passionate about a #7Dman signing.

 

[StevenF1919]

Is there a visual for 5v5?

He played 16:30 5v5 minutes per game and basically split his time right down the middle with Miller and Schmidt.

From this image it looks like he spent half his time on the top pairing and half his time on the bottom pairing lol. I'm sure you could split the games up and check his stats for only the games he spent on the bottom pairing but it's probably not worth it given the small sample size. I guess we'll find out over the season if he's suddenly a different player but from what I've seen of him and what the stats say, we probably could have done better if we were looking for a #6/7.

I'd also like to remind everyone that Auvitu absolutely killed it in his bottom pairing role last year. Unreal possession stats, outscored the opposition, and had a killer ES p/60. Guy was a rockstar and never should have been let go.

 

[Fourier]

How many veteran #6/7 defensemen are there without question marks? And especially guys earning $650K. Its pretty hard to be upset with this signing.