Proposal: EDM-MTL

ChaoticOrange

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You mean Yakupov and MPS? Because all of Eberle, Hall, RNH, Klefbom, Draisaitl, and Nurse are/were doing just fine (and well, a couple of them exceptionally well). I'm not saying that the oilers are a drafting and developing powerhouse, but this flimsy narrative needs to die.

Coming from a fan of an organization that saw fit to draft Louis LeBlanc, Nathan Beaulieu, Michael McCarron, Nikita Scherbak, David Fischer, Kyle Chipchura, Chris Higgins, Andrei Kostitsyn, Mike Komisarek, Alexander Perezhogin, Ron Hainsey and Marcel Hossa in the first round since 2000, he should really ease off on the ‘your organization ruins first rounders’ garbage.
 
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I want Poolparty to play with Kotkaniemi and Lehkonen as his linemates! Mete can play both Left and Right Defense btw ;)


Not sure which team the OP is a fan of . This trade doesn't work 1) The Habs will not give up Mete for a player that has yet to prove anything at the NHL level 2) The Oilers say know base on potential alone . At this point there no harm in keeping Puljujarvi
 
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Not sure which team the OP is a fan of . This trade doesn't work 1) The Habs will not give up Mete for a player that has yet to prove anything at the NHL level 2) The Oilers say know base on potential alone . At this point there no harm in keeping Puljujarvi

Mete proved that he could play and defend in the NHL as an undersized dman at 19, which is no easy task. Pulju still hasnt proven that he can play in the NHL even as a winger yet.
 

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Yeah, I’m not really interested in a soft 7M winger. I’d rather spend our assets on a good top 4 LHD

damm bro, you act like Mete's worthing a top 15 pick right now. Even if I like Mete and being against to trade for wingers, if we could grab Nylander by Mete, do it and run.
 

Baksfamous112

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damm bro, you act like Mete's worthing a top 15 pick right now. Even if I like Mete and being against to trade for wingers, if we could grab Nylander by Mete, do it and run.

Yup but in this case it’s Mete + Lehkonen. They both are perfect for our style and are still very young with a lot of room for growth. I’m very very high on Mete too. I think he could be a lite-Josi in a few years
 

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Not sure which team the OP is a fan of . This trade doesn't work 1) The Habs will not give up Mete for a player that has yet to prove anything at the NHL level 2) The Oilers say know base on potential alone . At this point there no harm in keeping Puljujarvi
Well said.
 

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That's just a garbage offer. Oilers and Habs are both winning... doubt either wants to make a change. All those Habs players would be waiver fodder on the Oil anyhow.

Oilers have developed all their first picks well... from Eberle to Yamamoto. Yak busted hard but that 2012 draft is fugly. It's the Habs that have had a HORRIBLE development system. Their best picks were from 2007 and since then it's been tragic.

Not sure where to start...
 

Mackiaveli

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Not really but whatever makes you feel better.


To be fair --- UP TO THIS POINT

Boston (EDM 2, MTL 1)
Pittsburgh (EDM 1, MTL 2) Cup Favourite

Nashville (EDM 2) 1st in League
Winnipeg (EDM 1) Cup Favourite

Toronto (MTL 1) 5th in League
St Louis (MTL 1) Cup Favourite
Washington (MTL 1) Defending Cup
Calgary (MTL 1) 3rd in League
Tampa Bay (MTL 1) 2nd in League

While we can argue semantics on the rest of the schedule, and we can definitely give credit that Edmonton has had to play Nashville twice; the Habs have played MORE games against Cup-favourite teams... 6 for Edmonton compared to 8 from Montreal.

For OP: Mete at THIS point is a superior player to Puljujarvi, both in value and in usefulness; the Habs sure as shit aren't going to trade a Top 4 defenseman for a winger who's been sitting in the press box for the better part of the season

While I am in no way writing the kid off, he has 29 career points in 102 career games (0.28ppg) --- other people from that same draft include PLD (0.58PPG), Keller (0.78PPG) and Tkachuk (0.72PPG)

He is closer to Tage Thompson (0.20PPG) and Jost (.30PPG) than he is the guys who he was drafted above within the top 10. He has continually been sent to the AHL or Scratched, and is very much so looking like a bust.
 

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To be fair --- UP TO THIS POINT

Boston (EDM 2, MTL 1)
Pittsburgh (EDM 1, MTL 2) Cup Favourite

Nashville (EDM 2) 1st in League
Winnipeg (EDM 1) Cup Favourite

Toronto (MTL 1) 5th in League
St Louis (MTL 1) Cup Favourite
Washington (MTL 1) Defending Cup
Calgary (MTL 1) 3rd in League
Tampa Bay (MTL 1) 2nd in League

While we can argue semantics on the rest of the schedule, and we can definitely give credit that Edmonton has had to play Nashville twice; the Habs have played MORE games against Cup-favourite teams... 6 for Edmonton compared to 8 from Montreal.

For OP: Mete at THIS point is a superior player to Puljujarvi, both in value and in usefulness; the Habs sure as **** aren't going to trade a Top 4 defenseman for a winger who's been sitting in the press box for the better part of the season

While I am in no way writing the kid off, he has 29 career points in 102 career games (0.28ppg) --- other people from that same draft include PLD (0.58PPG), Keller (0.78PPG) and Tkachuk (0.72PPG)

He is closer to Tage Thompson (0.20PPG) and Jost (.30PPG) than he is the guys who he was drafted above within the top 10. He has continually been sent to the AHL or Scratched, and is very much so looking like a bust.

Uh, the blues are terrible and no one gets scored on more than the Flames right now. Regardless. Our next couple games are against the Caps and Lightning which should tell us a lot.

Mete is not a top four defenceman. He might be one day but he damned sure isn’t now. We’re not trading Puljujarvi for a LHD that would be in our press box and your broken toys.
 

Mackiaveli

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Uh, the blues are terrible

Bad start ! = terrible --- Blues still have one of the best groups in the League, they just have bad goaltending.

Sure, Calgary is 5th in Goals Against --- they're also 1st in Goals For... lol.

Mete is better than Garrison, and offensively probably better than Nurse. He's also only 20 years old and is in his second season in the NHL playing top 4 minutes and not looking out of place at all.

Scherbak has a 0.30PPG in the NHL --- the same as Puljujarvi, playing exclusively in a worse offensive system, exclusively on the bottom 6; but he's a broken toy?The issues they have had with him are health and compete related, not talent related --- sounds a lot like Puljujarvi, who can tear up the AHL but looks completely out of place in the NHL.

If Scherbak is a broken toy, then Puljujarvi is Sid's dolls from Toy Story 1.
 
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Bear played 18 games last year and was actually quite good. He came very close to earning a spot out of camp this year. Had they not wanted to give Bouchard some games he probably makes the team. The only way a defensemen could be way ahead of where Bear is right now is if he is playing at least top four minutes and succeeding.

Bear was the WHL defenseman of the year in his last year of juniors and had a great start in the AHL until a series of injuries slowed him down. He's also essentially only one year older than Fleury so I don't think there is much evidence to support your position.

Actually, Bear has been drafted in the 5th round 2015, Fleury in the 3rd round in 2017. Bear is 17 months older than Fleury, and it is still early but on a pure PPG aspect Fleury is producing in his D+2 year in the AHL at a 0,56 PPG rate, when Bear produced in his D+3 year in the same league (being at the time 5 months older than Fleury is this year) at a 0,49 PPG rate.

Not saying one it is necessarly better than the other, but someone could argue Fleury is ahead of Bear in his development...

I think Bear has a bit better offensive instincts, but I see Fleury as the better bet going forward since his overall game as a defenseman is a bit superior and I like his physicality quite a bit more. I see top 4 upside in Fleury, while I envision more a PP specialist in Bear.

I could be wrong, though.
 

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Bad start ! = terrible --- Blues still have one of the best groups in the League, they just have bad goaltending.

Sure, Calgary is 5th in Goals Against --- they're also 1st in Goals For... lol.

Mete is better than Garrison, and offensively probably better than Nurse. He's also only 20 years old and is in his second season in the NHL playing top 4 minutes and not looking out of place at all.

Scherbak has a 0.30PPG in the NHL --- the same as Puljujarvi, playing exclusively in a worse offensive system, exclusively on the bottom 6; but he's a broken toy? Are you actually mentally deficient? The issues they have had with him are health and compete related, not talent related --- sounds a lot like Puljujarvi, who can tear up the AHL but looks completely out of place in the NHL.

If Scherbak is a broken toy, then Puljujarvi is Sid's dolls from Toy Story 1.

The blues are awful this season. Beating them isn’t some accomplishment. Literally everyon’s doing it.

Mentally deficient? Careful now child. It’s a poor debater that has to resort to insults when he’s losing.

Scherbak is 23 in December. The fact that he’s just barely keeping up to a struggling 20 year old should tell you everything you need to know about your argument. Poor kid can’t even get into the lineup. Shame the Habs ruined him.

Mete has never outscored Nurse at any level despite playing on stacked teams, so that’s a poor argument too.
 

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To be fair --- UP TO THIS POINT

Boston (EDM 2, MTL 1)
Pittsburgh (EDM 1, MTL 2) Cup Favourite

Nashville (EDM 2) 1st in League
Winnipeg (EDM 1) Cup Favourite

Toronto (MTL 1) 5th in League
St Louis (MTL 1) Cup Favourite
Washington (MTL 1) Defending Cup
Calgary (MTL 1) 3rd in League
Tampa Bay (MTL 1) 2nd .

You know... it doesn’t help you appear impartial if you can’t even read the standings or schedule correctly.

Pretty sure we played Washington and beat them 4-1... no credit given by TWO habs fans now in this thread on this topic.

Interesting that St Louis remains a “cup favorite” in your eyes yet meanwhile they are 2nd last in the conference.

Tells us all everything we need to know about your “analysis”. Well done!
 

Mackiaveli

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The blues are awful this season. Beating them isn’t some accomplishment. Literally everyon’s doing it.

They dropped a game to Cup Favourite Winnipeg - and another in OT
They dropped two overtime games to Chicago
They dropped to Anaheim who are an easy playoff team
They lost to the Habs
They lost to Columbus
They lose to Minnesota

Outside of Chicago and maybe Montreal, those are all playoff teams, but alright.

Scherbak is 23 in December. The fact that he’s just barely keeping up to a struggling 20 year old should tell you everything you need to know about your argument.

Indeed. Our terrible AHL coach (who has since been fired) definitely hurt the kids development; but I don't think the constant injuries helped. Luckily, he went from a 0.5ppg player, to a 0.62ppg player to a 1.1ppg player last season! Improvement suggests he isn't struggling, just slow to develop which is often the case with undersized players who struggle with injuries! Numbers are hard though, clearly he's regressing and can't find his groove!!

Poor kid can’t even get into the lineup.

Doesn't make sense to mess up the team synergy; likely he gets a look after he comes up from his conditioning stint --- he's too good to pass through Waivers but just a little off being ready to play with the big boy club permanently; doesn't mean the kid is really doing badly. He also was a super late first round pick.

Poolparty on the other hand, is 6'4, a former 4th overall pick, and once again is a healthy scratch, after being sent down to the minors last year --- He could, in theory still turn it around --- but he has done as bad if not worse than Mango

Mete has never outscored Nurse at any level despite playing on stacked teams,

When Nurse put up 50 in 64 with SSM, he was 6th in team scoring (0.78)
When Nurse put up 41 in 68 with SSM, he was 10th in team scoring (0.60)
(0.68.8 average)

When Mete put up 38 in 68 with London he was 8th in team scoring (0.56)
When Mete put up 44 in 50 with London he was 6th in team scoring (0.88)
(0.69.4 average)

Nurse scored 1 points in 19 games in the world junior u20 tournaments, winning Gold twice and Bronze once.
Mete scored 4 points in 10 games in the world junior u20 tournaments, winning Gold twice.


In 69 games, Nurse scored 10 points in his rookie season (0.14)
In 49 games, Mete scored 7 points in Montreal last season (0.14)

so that’s a poor argument too.

Sure, Nurse may be better right now, but Mete is 3 years younger and on his ELC --- has produced equal to or better than Nurse at ALL levels and is only getting better ... bad argument though.

You know... it doesn’t help you appear impartial if you can’t even read the standings or schedule correctly.

Google "Impartial" --- misreading something and forgetting a team doesn't change whether or not I am impartial, but alright.

Pretty sure we played Washington and beat them 4-1... no credit given by TWO habs fans now in this thread on this topic.

A simple oversight; doesn't change anything though, Montreal still has had the tougher schedule at face value by a game --- again, it is so close that it almost doesn't matter, but to say Edmonton has had the HARDEST schedule is just flat out wrong.

Interesting that St Louis remains a “cup favorite” in your eyes yet meanwhile they are 2nd last in the conference.

They are 4-5-3 --- 3 games out of a playoff spot.... that is despite starting their season 2-4-3. They have some of the best personnel in the league, and have gotten abysmal goaltending; they'll be fine.
 
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Ok so you say that you had the hardest scheldule here's the comparaison ( I consider teams in bold has big teams )
SO OUR SCHELDULE IS PRETTY SIMILAR
DateVisiting teamHome teamTime (MT)
October 6EdmontonNew Jersey11:00 am
October 11EdmontonBoston5:00 pm
October 13EdmontonN.Y. Rangers11:00 am
October 16EdmontonWinnipeg6:00 pm
October 18BostonEdmonton7:00 pm
October 20NashvilleEdmonton8:00 pm
October 23PittsburghEdmonton7:00 pm
October 25WashingtonEdmonton7:00 pm
October 27EdmontonNashville1:00 pm
October 28EdmontonChicago4:00 pm
October 30MinnesotaEdmonton7:00 pm
November 1ChicagoEdmonton7:00 pm
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[TBODY] [/TBODY]
DATEVISITORHOMEEASTERN TIME
2018-10-03MontrealToronto7:00 PM
2018-10-06MontrealPittsburgh7:00 PM
2018-10-11Los AngelesMontreal7:30 PM
2018-10-13PittsburghMontreal7:00 PM
2018-10-15DetroitMontreal7:30 PM
2018-10-17St. LouisMontreal7:00 PM
2018-10-20MontrealOttawa7:00 PM
2018-10-23CalgaryMontreal7:30 PM
2018-10-25MontrealBuffalo7:00 PM
2018-10-27MontrealBoston7:00 PM
2018-10-30DallasMontreal7:30 PM
2018-11-01WashingtonMontreal7:30 PM
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Its funny that you bolded Washington on MTL's schedule but not when EDM played them LOL
 
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That poolparty nick name needs to stop, the main reason he’s busting right now!

Ya it’s bad. Like, REALLY bad.

His nickname is Pulju.

While I’m not necessarily opposed to trading Pulju, I’m not sure this trade does anything for us. Scherbak is doing worse than Pulju in the NHL, and Mete, while looking pretty good, is going to be competing with Benning, Bouchard, Bear, and Jones for the 6-8 spots on our defense going forward.

If I’m trading Pulju, it’s for a young player who’s not a full on bust, but a disappointment. Someone who can still succeed on the 3rd line, without having to live up to the high pick that his team used on him. A guy like Sam Bennett, Jake Virtanen, Nick Ritchie, or Pavel Zacha.
 

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Sure, Nurse may be better right now, but Mete is 3 years younger and on his ELC --- has produced equal to or better than Nurse at ALL levels and is only getting better ... bad argument though.

Fine, Mete is on his ELC. Nurse's bridge contract isn't exactly hurting the Oilers. Edmonton has a number of other contracts that are causing cap issue.

Nurse IS better than Mete right now, you're right. Maybe someday Mete surpasses him, if so, good for the Habs. However the current value between these two leans heavily on Nurses side. In a few years time.. maybe things change? We'll see I guess.
 

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Fine, Mete is on his ELC. Nurse's bridge contract isn't exactly hurting the Oilers. Edmonton has a number of other contracts that are causing cap issue.

Nurse IS better than Mete right now, you're right. Maybe someday Mete surpasses him, if so, good for the Habs. However the current value between these two leans heavily on Nurses side. In a few years time.. maybe things change? We'll see I guess.

False. Anyone that doesn’t share his opinions is mentally deficient, apparently. :laugh:
 

Mackiaveli

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Fine, Mete is on his ELC. Nurse's bridge contract isn't exactly hurting the Oilers. Edmonton has a number of other contracts that are causing cap issue.

Nurse IS better than Mete right now, you're right. Maybe someday Mete surpasses him, if so, good for the Habs. However the current value between these two leans heavily on Nurses side. In a few years time.. maybe things change? We'll see I guess.

To be honest, the original argument wasn't even whether or not Mete > Nurse in terms of value and play; I just made an off-hand comment that Mete would crack your lineup already and if he continues this growth he will likely trump Nurse; he has been better at every level and the way the kid sees the game with the puck on his stick is incredible. Personally, I would rather have Mete than Nurse (play, age and contract status) but that COULD be homer bias.

The point was, ChaoticOrange is going on about how Mete would be a press-box player and Scherbak is a broken toy but Puljujarvi is a 20 year old stud in the making; just really shitty logic from someone who knows nothing past googling their names and looking at their stats.

Mete alone is worth more than Puljujarvi as of today. Draft position is irrelevant, Mete has been successfully playing, and getting better whereas Puljujarvi has struggled immensely, plays a less favourable position and is the same age. Mete is more valuable in every sense of the word.
 
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