ECHL to 30 Teams?

[hurricanesfan123]

that question has been asked ever since 2019, when the league found no takers and elected to terminate the original Manchester franchise..... where's the owner, hurricanesfan.... like what Spectra, Cliff Rucker and Dean MacDonald accomplished to restart or are in active discussions now.... Portland, Worcester, Newfoundland, and Trois-Rivieres the league isn't actively pursuing anything in the midst of the pandemic..... that's the 1st thing.... 2nd thing.... how much damage did the original franchise do between switching leagues, and is there a fanbase large enough to not repeat what occurred financially to restart and/or sustain a franchise knowing you're spending at minimum at least 600 M to start engaging the league to their timeframe of December, even for 2021/22, that's not realistic or likely to prevent the same thing from repeating itself..... it's like any market or fanbase that loses a team, why was the decision made to pull the franchise, whether it was bad or at times inept ownership, violation of league bylaws or leveraging a franchise for illicit gains (Iowa Chops-AHL comes to mind in that case), etc..... it's not that Manchester is a "torched market", BUT sometimes it happens..... no matter if there's a fanbase that keeps getting their hopes up and dashed over and over.....

Lowell ended up that way as an example.....U MASS Lowell wanted their team to be exclusive, the pro team was sacrificed, AND No league has ever reentered that market.

that's the downside of being a fan of a given team in a given sport..... the business side of it.... eventually,wins out...no matter how it is spun..... when you go through multiples of these "business" DEALINGS it turns you off from what you grew to enjoy or watch that team or fanbase succeed..... half of the Monarchs fanbase blamed AEG/LA Kings, THEN PPI destroyed what remained to rescue the market because they had no clue how to run or market a pro franchise.

three things
1 i dont think manchester is comparable to Lowell
2 second what do you mean 600m by December haha
3 there is interest in manchester just read the thread!
again all i was asking is for manchester to join in 2021-22 they would have to have a plan/commitment by this summer it just seems like a stretch
If these interest rumblings happened a while ago the timeline would look more realistic for 2021. As said before trois riveries and manchester are on two different plants as far as progress both with the same goal

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

three things
1 i dont think manchester is comparable to Lowell
2 second what do you mean 600m by December haha
3 there is interest in manchester just read the thread!
again all i was asking is for manchester to join in 2021-22 they would have to have a plan/commitment by this summer it just seems like a stretch
If these interest rumblings happened a while ago the timeline would look more realistic for 2021. As said before trois riveries and manchester are on two different plants as far as progress both with the same goal

LOWELL has not had pro hockey since the RIVERHAWKS exercised their exclusivity to Tsongas Center, no league has entered that market since that exclusivity was declared.....

no, there has been no interest in Manchester returning since 2019, when the league terminated the original franchise.....and especially not coming off of or out of a pandemic....

 

[hurricanesfan123]

no, there has been no interest in Manchester returning since 2019, when the league terminated the original franchise.....and especially not coming off of or out of a pandemic....

at this point its just a waste of time I've made my point

 

[Barclay Donaldson]

ah thank you. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. But to see such a difference with both markets that are trying to launch in the same year. Yikes! Seems like a stretch for Manchester but hopefully they can work something out. Not a lot of time when someone isn't even on board yet.

And to be fair, it is likely Trois-Rivières is a more worthy guarantee of a market than Manchester in the eyes of the ECHL. The ECHL doesn't have to grant an expansion team to anybody. But it is much easier for them to grant Trois-Rivières an expansion team when they have been in constant contact with the league, the owner is already a established owner in the league, they would be affiliated with the fanatically popular Canadiens, and the only thing they have to do is work out a lease with the city.

Manchester on the other hand has the possibility of faint rumblings. It is a market that was royally screwed by the previous team, there has been vocal wonders, perhaps from a minority, they feel the market deserves more than the ECHL, and there is no guarantee of an affiliation that would make the team successful.

 

[gstommylee]

The only way i can really see that many teams or 3 way system NHL-AHL-ECHL if NHL would basically own the ECHL teams. Not sure there would be enough support for 32 ECHL team with out being subsidized by the NHL.

 

[Centrum Hockey]

The only way i can really see that many teams or 3 way system NHL-AHL-ECHL if NHL would basically own the ECHL teams. Not sure there would be enough support for 32 ECHL team with out being subsidized by the NHL.

There is no point for a NHL owner to invest in a echl team unless they want the arena for their AHL team. Owning a echl team would add extra expenses to develop goalies and AHL 4th linemen it’s not exactly worth it from a team building perspective.

 

[gstommylee]

There is no point for a NHL owner to invest in a echl team unless they want the arena for their AHL team. Owning a echl team would add extra expenses to develop goalies and AHL 4th linemen it’s not exactly worth it from a team building perspective.

Then the idea of having that many ECHL teams isn't going to work if the market they are in isn't providing enough support for the team to last.

 

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Then the idea of having that many ECHL teams isn't going to work if the market they are in isn't providing enough support for the team to last.

Ummm....yeah....no kidding. That's true of every minor league sports team no matter the league.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

at this point its just a waste of time I've made my point

NAHL is the same interest or area that the LaPresse article opinion piece was....it doesn't solve the issues as to why Manchester collapsed the way it did, Hurricanes..... you don't have the issues that piece pointed out as options....none of which happened.....the closest market size to Manchester is Lewiston.....you won't have Worcester or Portland, or even Newfoundland to draw interest from

 

[hurricanesfan123]

NAHL is the same interest or area that the LaPresse article opinion piece was....it doesn't solve the issues as to why Manchester collapsed the way it did, Hurricanes..... you don't have the issues that piece pointed out as options....none of which happened.....the closest market size to Manchester is Lewiston.....you won't have Worcester or Portland, or even Newfoundland to draw interest from

i am fairly sure the nahl wouldn't replace the echl or even compete with it really..... The danbury jr hat tricks in the nahl dont compete with the fhl team.

 

[hurricanesfan123]

why would you say manchester is like Lewiston. Look all it was is a tweet saying there could be something building for echl 2021-22 just take that it as it is.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

nahl wouldn't replace the echl or even compete with it really..... The danbury jr hat tricks in the nahl dont compete with the fhl team.

you don't understand the NAHL... then....

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

why would you say manchester is like Lewiston. Look all it was is a tweet saying there could be something building for echl 2021-22 just that it as it is.

and Black & Gold is an opinion piece, just as much as the La Presse opinion piece was..... the other issue is how or what replaces the ECHL in Gwinnett/Atlanta.....

 

[hurricanesfan123]

the la presse article said they had contact that's not a opinion that's a fact...... regardless that has no effect on echl expansion since it appears the q moved on

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

the la presse article said they had contact ......

it also stated two additional teams, including 2 in Maine.... there weren't and aren't any arenas or sites available here for the Q, after what transpired in 2008-09, the termination of the Q franchise.... that's why Spectra landed the ECHL Team in Portland.... and why the NAHL is in the Colisee, just like it was back in the mid 1970s... before Spectra brought the AHL to Cross Arena.... the Original NAHL Nordiques had the affiliation with Quebec (Colorado)

 

[Big Z Man 1990]

Albany, NY originally rejected the ECHL in favor of an arena football team. But now that team is gone too. I think Albany will get into the ECHL real soon, not next year but the year after that.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Albany, NY originally rejected the ECHL in favor of an arena football team. But now that team is gone too. I think Albany will get into the ECHL real soon, not next year but the year after that.

nothing has changed in Albany....Z, Times Union Center barred the door once the Devils left for Binghamton, in fact, Adirondack, is the franchise aligned with Binghamton/NJ

 

[hurricanesfan123]

i am guessing its to close to Glenn falls

 

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i am guessing its to close to Glenn falls

They each had teams in the AHL at the same time...I think Adirondack would welcome a team in Albany.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

They each had teams in the AHL at the same time...I think Adirondack would welcome a team in Albany.

not with the Devils affiliate.... Darryl.... you'll lose Adirondack most likely.... again..... not likely is Times Union Center open to entertain that possibility... otherwise wouldn't Albany have replaced the Thunder in that scenario.... they're drawing from both markets without the hassle

 

[hurricanesfan123]

They each had teams in the AHL at the same time...I think Adirondack would welcome a team in Albany.

not from the area i didn't know if there would be a territory agrument

 

[hurricanesfan123]

not with the Devils affiliate.... Darryl.... you'll lose Adirondack most likely.... again..... not likely is Times Union Center open to entertain that possibility... otherwise wouldn't Albany have replaced the Thunder in that scenario.... they're drawing from both markets without the hassle

they dont even have a owner or plan and your talking about affilating with the devils why?
its just speculation

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

not from the area i didn't know if there would be a territory agrument

not a territorial agreement....it's just the same thing that Manchester among others are facing.... it's the current state of where the sport and league are.....and they simply at the T-U-Center chose not to have a hockey tenant....I don't know where these rumors are coming from but they're simply not based in fact.....

Kansas City is the same way.... Sprint Center chose they can survive without a major tenant but every so often you see that market pop up rumor-wise..... same with Quebec City, Houston, to name two others..... it all comes down to do those markets grow the sport without endangering the existing franchises.

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

they dont even have a owner or plan and your talking about affilating with the devils why?
its just speculation

Adirondack is already affiliated with New Jersey, Binghamton is owned by New Jersey and leased to the operator there who operates the franchise, hurricanes

 

[hurricanesfan123]

not a territorial agreement....it's just the same thing that Manchester among others are facing.... it's the current state of where the sport and league are.....and they simply at the T-U-Center chose not to have a hockey tenant....I don't know where these rumors are coming from but they're simply not based in fact.....

Kansas City is the same way.... Sprint Center chose they can survive without a major tenant but every so often you see that market pop up rumor-wise..... same with Quebec City, Houston, to name two others..... it all comes down to do those markets grow the sport without endangering the existing franchises.

but manchester isn't a rumor anymore there's interest but not ownership confirmed yet. Thats what your not getting