Eastside Hockey Manager - Part VIII

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I agree it is realistic, but situation that happened to me is also not very realistic. To cut player budget by half when you are promoted and got nice TV money for SHL.

Totally agree, but anything outside of player contracts (min/max salaries per Nation/League) and club budgets are all I can control in the DB. I'm sure there is some model or game code that takes several factors like: fan support, city attractiveness, club rep, attendance average vs maximum available, maybe some staff attributes like Business Skill and Resources and possibly more to come up with the values for the club itself when it comes to ticket prices and making a profit.
 
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filip85

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Totally agree, but anything outside of player contracts (min/max salaries per Nation/League) and club budgets are all I can control in the DB. I'm sure there is some model or game code that takes several factors like: fan support, city attractiveness, club rep, attendance average vs maximum available, maybe some staff attributes like Business Skill and Resources and possibly more to come up with the values for the club itself when it comes to ticket prices and making a profit.


And funny thing regarding budget when I played with SC Bern. Board said "it seems budget is more adequate than you need" and yet they raise it for like half milion:laugh:
 

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Thought I'd post this little nugget...for those who think the programmed CA and PA of a player are the be all, end all of their value:

Austin Wagner...young Kings player, in my NHX database he has a CA of 125 and PA of 140. Can play lower line NHL action to start, with upside of a third liner basically. He's got a Player Role of 15 defense and 15 offense and is an "All-Around Winger". He's versatile and he's very fast with good size but he's pretty much a north-south player. His consistency in the database is not preset, so it can vary. His determination and teamwork are always good.

In my latest sim, which is a test sim I am letting the CPU run (no interaction on my part), it is now the end of the 2024-25 season. Wagner is now 27 years-old and has been a bit of a journeyman throughout his career as you can see below. Gets a regular gig but nothing special, pretty decent third liner...signed a one-year deal as an UFA with Vegas the previous off-season for a modest $1.575 million.

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During the 2024-25 season with Vegas, he somehow ends up on the top line pretty much all year as LW to Cody Glass (C) and Mark Stone (RW). And WOW...could you ever have predicted this? He parlays that one-year deal into star numbers and a new (tho still low) long-term contract:

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His CA is maxed at 140 in the editor but his club reputation is now far higher than you would expect for such a CA because of his top notch performance this year. Keep in mind his star teammate, Mark Stone though getting older still has a 175 CA with great determination, consistency, teamwork and much higher offensive and defensive player roles...and Wagner totally out-performed him.

I just thought this was interesting - a guy basically programmed in the database to be only a third liner (at the best of conditions) became a first line star, defying his CA. This is not common but it certainly happens and it is one of the really cool things about EHM. Can he keep it up or will he sink back down to earth? I'm kind of excited to find out!
 

Daeni10

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some drafts are better than others. Some posters said that there is no hot-shot talent coming out of the draft but I've posted screenshots claiming otherwise (without the Prospect Generator).

Explaining the draft is like beating a dead horse to me. :damnpc: Lots of players expect the draft to be a home-run every year when in reality it's not. Just like in EA's NHL, some drafts are strong, some are weak. I play and think of the game the way real life works out.

I dont expect the draft to be a homerun every year. I actually enjoy that there are busts. But not having a top 50 scorer in the past 7 drafts is kinda unrealistic. I just took over the Devils and I am trying to win a cup. I literally have 4 players under the age of 30 because they all suck ass compared to the old guys. I have Crosby, Giroux, Kane, Kopitar who are around 40 and they are still outplaying all the younger guys. Even guys like Hughes and Hischier. The game either produces bad or extremely one dimensional players (goalies are good for some reason) to an extend that is pretty unrealistic.
 

archibalduk

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I posted this on TBL but worth posting here too:


A common issue frequently reported on these forums and elsewhere is that the game AI makes poor decisions. It might be something like:
  1. A really poor trade decision;
  2. Failure to renew the contract of a star player;
  3. Questionable roster management (particularly with regard to junior/college teams); or
  4. Strange budget decisions.
In order to diagnose and solve these issues (assuming they are issues and not completely subjective), Riz needs saved games showing the issue in question. If you can help, please do upload them over on the EHM Bugs Forum at SI Games. Details on how to upload saved games can be found here: FTP Details

The only way these AI issues can be resolved is if people upload example saved games. So please do upload a saved game if you come across something.
 

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I dont expect the draft to be a homerun every year. I actually enjoy that there are busts. But not having a top 50 scorer in the past 7 drafts is kinda unrealistic. I just took over the Devils and I am trying to win a cup. I literally have 4 players under the age of 30 because they all suck ass compared to the old guys. I have Crosby, Giroux, Kane, Kopitar who are around 40 and they are still outplaying all the younger guys. Even guys like Hughes and Hischier. The game either produces bad or extremely one dimensional players (goalies are good for some reason) to an extend that is pretty unrealistic.

I just finished 2027-28 season in a test sim...no sign of old guys in the scoring charts.

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Stamkos is the leading career scorer left in the league (Kane just retired and Crosby, Kopitar, etc are all retired). He was 38 the past season and he was very good but hardly leading his team or anything:

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PS - How about the super line the Oilers put together adding Nylander to McDrai...poor Leafs fans...lol.

I may actually post each club's scoring list for this past season as a fun little exercise so you can see how the database is handling projections...I'll be sure to put all the images in spoilers to avoid melting this thread down with pics. I feel like this point of the game ('27-28) is a nice benchmark as it is a mix of current layers who have aged and real prospects entering their primes.

Oh also...Austin Wagner came PLUMMETING back down to earth after his 84 point season...talk about a one hit wonder! Still - very cool that the game produces them from time to time!

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I dont expect the draft to be a homerun every year. I actually enjoy that there are busts. But not having a top 50 scorer in the past 7 drafts is kinda unrealistic. I just took over the Devils and I am trying to win a cup. I literally have 4 players under the age of 30 because they all suck ass compared to the old guys. I have Crosby, Giroux, Kane, Kopitar who are around 40 and they are still outplaying all the younger guys. Even guys like Hughes and Hischier. The game either produces bad or extremely one dimensional players (goalies are good for some reason) to an extend that is pretty unrealistic.

Every save is different (and with so many different variables) - that's what it boils down to unfortunately. The reason why I stuck with using one database on my main save is because I'm fine with the game results have been and it's consistent with that. Some drafts are excellent, some are weak, some star players stick with their teams the whole career, while other great players bounce around. I cannot express my gratitude enough towards everyone making the DB's. It's fun and creative to see the community thrive now more than ever.

In a test save (using the TBL rosters - last year) Hughes out-performed Hischier 15 years down the line. The goalie thing has been addressed here - many posters complaining that Goalies are not developed correctly / or produced with quality.
 

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Every save is different (and with so many different variables) - that's what it boils down to unfortunately. The reason why I stuck with using one database on my main save is because I'm fine with the game results have been and it's consistent with that. Some drafts are excellent, some are weak, some star players stick with their teams the whole career, while other great players bounce around. I cannot express my gratitude enough towards everyone making the DB's. It's fun and creative to see the community thrive now more than ever.

In a test save (using the TBL rosters - last year) Hughes out-performed Hischier 15 years down the line. The goalie thing has been addressed here - many posters complaining that Goalies are not developed correctly / or produced with quality.

Oh for sure, they put so much effort into it and are doing an amazing job with it. I am definetly thankful for all the time they put into the game and for trying to make it more enjoyable for everyone.
Sorry if I gave you guys the impression that I am not and if it came across a bit to harsh.
Was just wondering since I never had bad drafts like this. However once all the older players retire, which will be soon, a lot will change again anyway
 

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Hire Sather

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Great work on this database, but does it not work with the saved game editor?

My edits to contracts don't seem to work, nor can I remove a player from a team.
 
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I won promotion to Czech extraliga with Litmoerice. Didn't "play" it, just simulated until end of promotion/relegation round and then added myself as their GM. Player budget was 176k and board gave us rise to 294k, which is not close enough to do anything in extraliga, where lowest budgets are Karlovy Vary (1,5 mil) and Kladno (1,8 mil).
 

archibalduk

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Great work on this database, but does it not work with the saved game editor?

My edits to contracts don't seem to work, nor can I remove a player from a team.

The Editor isn't designed to edit saved games. I'll be removing saved game compatibility from version 2 of the Editor because the warning on the home screen seems to be overlooked and people are corrupting their saved games.

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I won promotion to Czech extraliga with Litmoerice. Didn't "play" it, just simulated until end of promotion/relegation round and then added myself as their GM. Player budget was 176k and board gave us rise to 294k, which is not close enough to do anything in extraliga, where lowest budgets are Karlovy Vary (1,5 mil) and Kladno (1,8 mil).

What time of the year was it when you took over? Can I see the finance screens for Litmoerice and one of the other clubs to compare, or just get the save game file? Could be a game limitation, AI issue or bug, I very honestly barely play the game and when I do it's an NHL club.
 

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Has there been an update so you can control 31 teams yet? Ran a sim league many years ago with 30 teams in the league, but now that there is 31 we haven't been able to run a sim again since playing with 1 computer GM just isn't as fun!
 

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Has there been an update so you can control 31 teams yet? Ran a sim league many years ago with 30 teams in the league, but now that there is 31 we haven't been able to run a sim again since playing with 1 computer GM just isn't as fun!

Nope it’s a hard coded limitation.
 
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filip85

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What time of the year was it when you took over? Can I see the finance screens for Litmoerice and one of the other clubs to compare, or just get the save game file? Could be a game limitation, AI issue or bug, I very honestly barely play the game and when I do it's an NHL club.


I took it in mid April after I saw that Litomerice made promotion. I will get you save file if you tell me how to upload it ? :)
 

Kranix

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If this was my DB Spencer had a -14 PA roll, so it's possible that is legit, yes I fixed that processing the trade in my master DB just this morning.
Haha, yeah I had a Sabres save simmed to today, so I just tried the trade.
-14 roll is a top PA of 160 right? Which is around a #3 D-man.
 
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