Early Vezina discussion!

[Subbanned]

damn this is pretty awesome considering -some- leaf fans were talking about waiving him/worst starter in the league just a month ago

ppl still haven't learned, it's probably gona happen again next october

Uhhh did you mean to post this last year? He was great this October and i dont recall any significant amount of leafs fans complaining about him..

Andersen is the clear frontrunner based on how voters usually operate. Rinne 2nd and Gibson 3rd mainly because it's rare that the good goalie on a bad team (Gibson) gets the votes they should theoretically

 

[paragon]

Rinne .948 Saros .903
Andersen .934 Sparks .906
Gibson .928 Miller .929

Not saying Gibson is bad or anything, but how can he be clearly the best when he's not even statistically better than his backup. It was the same thing last season when Miller ended up with better save%. Maybe Carlyle has a way of making his team look bad and his goalies look good. Anyway he needs to be fired asap and Bob Murray as well if he doesn't pull the trigger fast enough.

My top 3 right now is Rinne, Anderson, Halak, but if things keep playing out the way they have Andersen will win the Vezina. He has the wins, the workload and the save%.

It's way too early in the season to make Vezina predictions. Last year around this time Bobrovsky looked like a shoo-in for his third Vezina.

 

[maacoshark]

Gibson
Rinne

Gibson has tailed off.

 

[maacoshark]

Right now I'd say Rinne.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

I'm not sure what you mean, he has been as good as you'd expect. Or are you talking about his injury?

His DSv% 5on5 is poor. I did overexaggerate on him being anti-Vezina, but he's not as good as people think.

 

[57special]

I won't lie and say I've watched a lot of other goalies, but Dubnyk has been as good, or better, than he ever has.

 

[Not So Mighty]

Mike Smith, Cam Talbot, Jake Allen are front runners.

You spelled completely ****ing awful goalies wrong.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Gibson. /thread

Other finalists would be Rinne and uhh... probably Andersen

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Who do you have at the top of this list! This is just my personal top5

Andersen
Gibson
Rinne
Vasi
Raanta


I honestly feel like these 5 goalies have been to most impactful for thei teams.

Discuss!

Lol

 

[Wasted Talent]

I won't lie and say I've watched a lot of other goalies, but Dubnyk has been as good, or better, than he ever has.

I'm not sure if I would go that far, his first (partial) season with Wild was ridiculous. Don't forget he was 4th in Hart voting that year.

 

[Static]

Rinne .948 Saros .903
Andersen .934 Sparks .906
Gibson .928 Miller .929

Not saying Gibson is bad or anything, but how can he be clearly the best when he's not even statistically better than his backup. It was the same thing last season when Miller ended up with better save%. Maybe Carlyle has a way of making his team look bad and his goalies look good. Anyway he needs to be fired asap and Bob Murray as well if he doesn't pull the trigger fast enough.

My top 3 right now is Rinne, Anderson, Halak, but if things keep playing out the way they have Andersen will win the Vezina. He has the wins, the workload and the save%.

It's way too early in the season to make Vezina predictions. Last year around this time Bobrovsky looked like a shoo-in for his third Vezina.

You need to see the expected goals against to understand why Gibson has been otherworldly. His save percentage might not be the best in the league but the quality of the shots he has faced has been above and beyond and then beyond again what any other goalie in the league has faced.

This is the problem with the vezina. People just look up the stats on some random site and fill out their ballot without looking into context or the quality of shots faced.

 

[Static]

Goalie Stats - Corsica Hockey

Gibson has more goals saved that were expected to go in than second place rinne who has played almost half of the games. That is insane, and that is why he has clearly been the best in net this season.

If Anaheim were any good and people actually paid attention this wouldnt even be a discussion, but as it is I expect a 5th place finish because of winz.

 

[paragon]

You need to see the expected goals against to understand why Gibson has been otherworldly. His save percentage might not be the best in the league but the quality of the shots he has faced has been above and beyond and then beyond again what any other goalie in the league has faced.

This is the problem with the vezina. People just look up the stats on some random site and fill out their ballot without looking into context or the quality of shots faced.

I'm not arguing Gibson is not great or anything. I'm simply arguing who is going to win Vezina. They basically award the trophy on stats. If advanced stats really mattered that much Bobrovsky or Gibson might have made top 3 nominees last season.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Gibson
Andersen
Rinne

Those would be my top 3 in that order as of right now.

Pretty crazy the ducks had 2 of the top 5ish goalies within a couple years ago.

Some teams are good at pumping goalies out.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Not being a homer...It's got to be Andersen at this point. He is playing the best hockey of his career.

 

[Static]

I'm not arguing Gibson is not great or anything. I'm simply arguing who is going to win Vezina. They basically award the trophy on stats. If advanced stats really mattered that much Bobrovsky or Gibson might have made top 3 nominees last season.

I can agree with that

 

[Static]

Not being a homer...It's got to be Andersen at this point. He is playing the best hockey of his career.

It doesn't have to be him since he hasn't been the best goalie. At least you weren't a homer about it though.

 

[Clark4Ever]

It doesn't have to be him since he hasn't been the best goalie. At least you weren't a homer about it though.

Andersen:

GP	GS	TOI/G	W	L	OTL	GA	GAA	SA	SV	SV%	SO	SOSV%
2018-19 Regular Season	16	59.23	11	5	0	33	2.08	501	468	.934	1	.000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Gibson:

GP	GS	TOI/G	W	L	OTL	GA	GAA	SA	SV	SV%	SO	SOSV%
2018-19 Regular Season	17	58:07	6	7	4	42	2.55	585	543	.928	1	.636

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Just sayin'...

 

[Static]

Andersen:

GP	GS	TOI/G	W	L	OTL	GA	GAA	SA	SV	SV%	SO	SOSV%
2018-19 Regular Season	16	59.23	11	5	0	33	2.08	501	468	.934	1	.000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Gibson:

GP	GS	TOI/G	W	L	OTL	GA	GAA	SA	SV	SV%	SO	SOSV%
2018-19 Regular Season	17	58:07	6	7	4	42	2.55	585	543	.928	1	.636

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Just sayin'...

This is ironic.

Goalie Stats - Corsica Hockey

Scroll to the last column. Just sayin'.

 

[Ainec]

Uhhh did you mean to post this last year? He was great this October and i dont recall any significant amount of leafs fans complaining about him..

Andersen is the clear frontrunner based on how voters usually operate. Rinne 2nd and Gibson 3rd mainly because it's rare that the good goalie on a bad team (Gibson) gets the votes they should theoretically

no, go back to october gdt and pgt and you will see that people still havent learned from last year

weird how I know this and you don't

 

[Ainec]

Why are you posting as if it's still 2016?

2017, 2018

its like you have short term memory lost.. just check the andersen threads a month ago. Pretty embarrassing

 

[Allan92]

2.76, 9.15% take a lap if you think that’s even close to being in the vezina convo. And yes I have.

Then you'll know that those stats are most certainly not reflective of how our goaltending has been

 

[Razz]

I think the Vezina goes to Rinne this year. Still lots of games to be played, but nobody deserves it more than him.

2nd place at this point of the season has to be Andersen. Yes you can make a good argument for Gibson, but I don't think the wins will be there come April to separate him from the top Goalies going into the playoffs. Same goes for Raanta.

 

[pettersson]

Gibson lol

But Rinne or Andersson and possibly Luongo (maybe he pushes them to playoffs)

Edit it's a long season, Gibson can still get back on top

 

[Kelly]

2017, 2018

its like you have short term memory lost.. just check the andersen threads a month ago. Pretty embarrassing

Andersen had a fine October, not sure what you're talking about. There will always be a select few idiots, but the majority of Andersen's October struggles came in the past two years.

Don't remember any of that being said this year, you're probably getting confused with last year's struggles.