Early pests

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  1. ehhedler

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    Hi, I'm looking for examples of some early high profile pests. Say from 1910–1970. In the Cully Wilson mold.
     
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    Tony Leswick

    aka "Tough Tony" or "Mighty Mouse". All 5'6.5"'s & 160lbs of him. Career spanned 1945-58, probably the first "Super-Pest" of the Modern Era post WW2. Checking winger (played both sides) and shutdown artist who averaged just over 18G's per season which was none too shabby during that era; 84PIM's per season which was somewhat higher than the norm. Completely fearless. Nemesis to both Rocket Richard & Gordie Howe, getting under their skin, forcing them to take retaliatory penalties and winding up in the box or fighting him (he'd been trained as a Boxer and was more than capable of holding his own against much larger players). Was in NY for 6 seasons playing primarily with Edgar Laprade, arguably the best shutdown unit of their day with Leswick by far & away the most effective agitator in the league who so impressed Adams in Detroit that he traded then prospect Gaye Stewart to get him. Won Stanley Cups with the Wings in 52/54/55, traded thereafter to Chicago where he wound down his career before playing in the WHL with Edmonton & Vancouver, though he did return briefly to the NHL in 58 to play 22 games with Detroit.

    Someone who got under your arms, between your legs and annoyed the life out of you.
    Unknown Leaf Player
     
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    left winger Charley "Rabbit" McVeigh, the 1923 WCHL all-star, 1927 NHL retroSelke as a fast and feisty fan-favorite Chicago Blackhawk, who went on from there to the NY Americans for seven years through the early 1930's as a top-3 scorer for the woeful club. He played all three forward positions on the top line, though is most often cited as a left winger. The tough little 5'6 superpest was a scoring line role player, having played nine full NHL seasons mostly on one of the top lines after five years in the Western league, having four times scored double digits in NHL goals, his last six years double digits in assists. He is identified as the star of the game in ending the Bruins 14-game winning streak in 1930. He had 172 points in 397 NHL games, and retired as one of the most popular players for the defunct NHL franchise, the NY Americans. McVeigh went on to a career as an NHL linesman and referee.

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    Here he ties up the game with 5 seconds remaining in a come from 0-4 behind 5-4 victory for the Chicago Blackhawks over the Montreal Maroons in 1927: http://books.google.ca/books?id=COb...esnum=1&ved=0CAUQ6AEwADgU#v=onepage&q&f=false

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    Charles ' Rabbit' McVeigh induction ceremony video into the Northwestern Ontario Sports Hall of Fame: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQipnWhS5F8
     
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    ^^^ Aha. Well done TDMM.... Figured this subject'd been discussed before. And rather interesting that New York in particular have almost always employed Super Pests and or "edgy" type players for the past 7 decades at least (along with Boston from its earliest days, some notable pests with the Isles & Jersey, certainly Philly throughout its history & taking it to a whole new level in the 70's). Eddie Shack in Toronto, Stan Mikita earlier in his career... pre-WW2 a little harder to nail down, put your finger on who the Pests mightve been beyond Clancy & Shore, however Im not even sure you could classify them as "Pests" as they were brilliant players with more a case of sometimes violent streaks than anything else.

    Also good job VanIslander on singling out old Charlie McVeigh... just lookin at his face... trouble alrighty. Pretty mischievous countenance huh?
     
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    More on Tony Leswick. I posted this during the last ATD

    Montreal Gazette, Jan 4, 1955

    Apparently, the Detroit Red Wings of the early 50s had a "problem" with too much profanity on the ice that fans could hear from the stands.

    After apparently receiving complaints from fans, Campbell himself heard profanity from the stands, left his seat, and went behind the bench to talk to Red Wings coach Jimmy Skinner. Skinner told Campbell to mind his own business. Detroit boss Jack Adams was incensed. He denied that Detroit used more profanity than and told the media that the Board of Governors should censure Colin Campbell for interfering with Detroit's coach while the game was in progress.

    (note - Colin Campbell sure made lots of friends around the league in 1955. This was only a few months before he was the center figure in the Richard Riots in Montreal).

    The Dink Carroll column

    The column talks about Tony Leswick in the context of Campbell's crackdown on profanity. Dink Carroll refers to a piece in MacLean's magazine that just came out called "The Biggest Pest in Hockey," about Leswick, who Carroll calls "one of the biggest offenders in his choice of vocal epithets."

    Carroll writes about Leswick's longstanding feud with Maurice Richard. One of Leswick's favorite taunts was suggesting that Jean Beliveau (who at that point was halfway through his first full season in the NHL) would steal all Richard's glory. But the feud had been going on long before Beliveau came around "and the things Leswick has been shouting at the Rocket for the last 10 years couldn't be printed in a magazine like MacLean's." Richard was asked what about Leswick made him so mad and he replied, "suppose we start with his face."

    Ted Kennedy was another of Leswick's favorite targets. Leswick would call Kennedy "Captain Syl," basically calling Kennedy a wannabee version of Syl Apps (Kennedy took over Apps' captaincy when Apps retired):

    The MacLean's article refers to an incident between Leswick and Kennedy to show Leswick's value to the Red Wings dynasty. With 12 seconds left of the first OT of Game 5 of the 1954 Stanley Cup finals, Leswick and Kennedy were battling for the puck in a corner:

    A funny story about how Leswick's mouth got him in trouble in a restaurant in New York when customers took his comments about Fern Flaman (who he was also feuding with) out of context:

    Carroll compares Leswick to the old "jockey's" in baseball who were forced to curb their language so "women and children" in the stands didn't have to hear all the profanity. He calls Leswick one of the few jockeys in hockey. He then mention's Referee Bill Chadwick's famous statement that Leswick "could bring out the worst in a saint."
     
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    .... :laugh: thats hilarious, and fun story, restaurant, uttering death threats, "Dapper & scarred". Not hard to imagine what the coppers mustve figured at that time. Checking for violin cases under the table no doubt.
     
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    I thought about playing positions too. Who is the best pest ever on defense? I think for the last 20 years Kasparaitis must be up there at the top. Is a Marchment kind of guy considered a pest or only dirty? Could one consider Joe Hall a pest or was he only dirty too?
     
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    Generally forwards are the Pests as its just not something defenseman would be gravitating towards and for several reasons.... Interesting question though as it relates to that particular player as he had running feuds with a lot of his contemporaries, most notably with Newsy Lalonde before joining the Habs, he & Newsy becoming fast friends thereafter apparently. Bad Joe Hall was noted for his devastating hits & violent propensities, not entirely sure if it was premeditated or merely spontaneous, just the way he played, earning the enmity of players for his nasty hits & temper.... regardless, poor guy died of Influenza in 1919 just days after the 5th Game of the SC Series in Seattle was cancelled when several Montreal players fell ill just hours before the puck drop. My impression is that wasnt a "pest" or agitator, he just cut a wide swath & developed feuds as a result of his rough & tumble play. A bit like Scott Stevens Id imagine.
     
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    Swearing is a Canadian birth right. :nod:
     
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    Sprague Cleghorn ?

    Or would he be more considered a major goon by today's standards ?
     
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    Chelios could be considered a pest defenseman. Although he was so much more. PEST doesn't seem to do him justice.
     
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    The first name that came to mind was Ken Randall.

    This said, there might have been other pests before him.
     
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    I figure this list begins and and ends with "Terrible" Ted Lindsay.

    Leswick would be right up there... Billy Coutu too.
     
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    Where would Red Sullivan rank? He had the incident where Doug Harvey speared him in the stomach, causing a ruptured spleen and internal bleeding. Harvey said that he'd told Sullivan repeatedly to "knock it off", which he said referred to both kicking at skates and taking a late jab at Jacques Plante.
     
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    Yep, thats a good one. Red Sullivan. Pugnacious. Needle.... in fact, a Catholic Priest was called in to read ol' Red there his Last Rights... survived it of course, named Rangers Captain in 57 until being demoted to the minors in 61 where he wound down his career.
     
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    Does Eddie Shack count here?
     
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    Ya, for sure. op's looking for examples from app 1910-1970. Eddie played pro from 57-75, certainly his hay days being the first 10yrs. Absolutely an agitator & pest. Dirty behind the play more often than not, like the time he knocked out (out cold on the ice) Rod Gilbert & Phil Goyette of the Rangers, two of them one after the other in like a 10 second span with his elbows... or the time Pat Stapleton turned to deliver a hip check to Shack who was in full flight. Eddie there taking a flying leap at Stapleton with his knee's in the tuck position & cutting down Pat like a Pine Beetle diseased tree while delivering a full on cross check to the back of his helmetless head.... that episode with Ziedel. Ugly stick swinging incident. Both sent off with Misconducts. They change & shower, go watch the rest of the game, then spot each other in the stands. Round 2 erupting in their street clothes. Just on & on with Eddie Shack.
     
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    Found this amusing story about how Joe Hall was discovered as a prospect... seems like it belongs in this thread.

    Even on the outdoor rinks of the late 19th Century, a good pest was already part of a winning team. :laugh:

    BTW, that same writer later characterizes Hall's untimely death as his being "taken out of the game by the Great Referee of the game of life."
     
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    First guy that came to my mind.
    He drove other players and Refs nuts.
     
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    He also drove his teammates nuts. He ran into them almost as much as he hit the opposition.
     
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    Harry "the Rat" Westwick would be one.
     

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