Eagles fire Chip Kelly

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The obvious thing is to say he's going to the Titans, but I wouldn't get too comfortable if I'm Charlie Strong right now.

Now that they hired Sterling Gilbert, there is no way Texas isn't going forward with Charlie Strong next year. I'd say that if Kelly was fired next year and Strong had another poor season, yeah I could see it. But now that they put all that time and effort into Strong, no way.
 

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Chip isn't going back to college unless someone offers him an absolutely ridiculous contract. He doesn't like booster, he doesn't like recruiting. Which are 2 MASSIVE things in Texas. Especially boosters. It's NFL as a HC/OC
 

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I don't think Chip's ego will let him be an OC. I see him being a HC in the NFL next season or taking a year off.
 

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Yes, because they could get Helton or the functional equivalent at literally any time. It's called playing to win instead of playing not to lose.

Personally, kind of glad that USC didn't wait around. Not a big Trojans fans, but this is a big time program, who can get top end talent.

As a fan of football, I have been dismayed at the lack of quality QBs coming out of college. A lot of that has to do with the number of programs running the spread offence and keeping their QBs in the shotgun for 90% of the snaps.

These QBs don't develop the ability to read defences and go through their progressions. Not something that they should be learning in the NFL. It should be refined when they arrive in the pros, but not something that they are basically learning from scratch.

So a program that big, like Texas as well, should be able to bring in QB talent and train them to be QB's who can read defences and go through their reads.

As for Chip, if he wants to, I am sure he will get HC offers to go back to college if he wants. As for another HC job in the NFL, he'd have to just be a HC and learn from his mistakes in Philly.
1) You have to get a feel for the game. If the other team just went on a 13 play 7 minute drive to score a TD, your Defense needs a rest, thus your Offense, if it plays uptempo, had better be able to string a couple of first downs together, otherwise, you're going to gas out the D
2) Learn to work with your players. That's where it's good to have a separate GM and HC.

As for the Eagles, I don't think that they were going to keep both Jackson and Maclin. Jackson's deal with the Eagles prior to him getting cut, would be over $10 million this season and Maclin got a huge offer from the Chiefs. They could only keep 1 of them. IMO, of the 2, better to keep Maclin and I think he is more versatile and running all of the routes. Jackson's speed, can only be taken advantage of if the OLine holds and you can go deep. McCoy, definitely, fit the scheme better than Murray. That system is setup for a back who is more elusive. Peterson and Lynch, for example would be terrible fits for Chip's system, whereas a Le'Veon Bell would be a good fit.

Chip gave out too much money for Murray, but really, the complaints about Maxwell, while warranted in that he is not a top end CB, they did need to upgrade the position and his salary would basically offset one of the WR (Jackson and Maclin). Letting the guards go was a mistake, but each team deals with contract renegotiation differently. Mathis lost quite a bit of money by getting cut by Philly.
 

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Eagles Twitter solving problems:

1. Bring in Ron Jaworski for GM
2. Hire Brian Dawkins
3. Find a Quarterback Guru
4. Trade for Colin Kaepernick
5. Hire Bill Cowher and make him like Tom Donahoe
 

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They can work if you execute them and your playbook has more than 9 plays in it.

Situational quick play in the right spots, absolutely. Quick play all the time I'm far more skeptical of being a long term success. That's putting a lot of extra load on your defense.

Wonder what Jerry Glanville would think about it heh.
 

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Situational quick play in the right spots, absolutely. Quick play all the time I'm far more skeptical of being a long term success. That's putting a lot of extra load on your defense.

Wonder what Jerry Glanville would think about it heh.
I dont think Chip Kellys offense was even that new.

Didn't the pats run a similar hurry up offense the entire season the year before chip was even hired?
 

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^It was similar to his offense just with Tom Brady running it. Him and Belichick are friends. In the end the culture he preached lead to this.
 

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I dont think Chip Kellys offense was even that new.

Didn't the pats run a similar hurry up offense the entire season the year before chip was even hired?

Where do you think Bill got that idea? Chip Kelly (friend) and Kliff Kingsbury (ex-Pat and T.B.'s bff and current Texas Tech HC).
 

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Eagles Twitter solving problems:

1. Bring in Ron Jaworski for GM
2. Hire Brian Dawkins
3. Find a Quarterback Guru
4. Trade for Colin Kaepernick
5. Hire Bill Cowher and make him like Tom Donahoe

1. Lol
2. Maybe? Might not be bad as a DB coach or something. Doesn't seem like it would fix much
3. Because that just happens at the drop of the hat
4. Probably won't have to trade for him when he's cut in the offseason. May not be a bad idea to sign him though, probably not with Chip gone
5. People apparently don't realize Cowher is not an option at this point. Though if you bring Jaws in as GM....:laugh:
 

GKJ

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1. Lol
2. Maybe? Might not be bad as a DB coach or something. Doesn't seem like it would fix much
3. Because that just happens at the drop of the hat
4. Probably won't have to trade for him when he's cut in the offseason. May not be a bad idea to sign him though, probably not with Chip gone
5. People apparently don't realize Cowher is not an option at this point. Though if you bring Jaws in as GM....:laugh:

I think Bill Cowher would rather take the milk gallon challenge using windshield washer fluid than work with Tom Donahoe
 

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I think we all learned a lesson:

Quick play offenses don't work in the NFL.

The Saints run a quick-tempo offense since Payton took over in 2006. Similar total plays as the Pats and Eagles examples above, in the neighborhood of 1100 plays most years. Their offensive rankings during those years:

2006: 1st
2007: 4th
2008: 1st
2009: 1st
2010: 6th
2011: 1st
2012: 2nd
2013: 4th
2014: 1st
2015: 2nd

Now you could make the argument that this particular offensive dynamic hurts the defense because they have to be on the field a lot, and I think there's probably something to that. But in terms of pure effectiveness on offense, I'd say it's been proven to work - providing you have the right kind of players to make it go.
 

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The Saints run a quick-tempo offense since Payton took over in 2006. Similar total plays as the Pats and Eagles examples above, in the neighborhood of 1100 plays most years. Their offensive rankings during those years:

2006: 1st
2007: 4th
2008: 1st
2009: 1st
2010: 6th
2011: 1st
2012: 2nd
2013: 4th
2014: 1st
2015: 2nd

Now you could make the argument that this particular offensive dynamic hurts the defense because they have to be on the field a lot, and I think there's probably something to that. But in terms of pure effectiveness on offense, I'd say it's been proven to work - providing you have the right kind of players to make it go.

And during all those years the Saints finished with an average time of possession of less then 30:00 only one season. Whereas the Eagles have been dead last 32nd in possession time for every season of Chip's coaching, including those 10 win seasons.

If you don't care for time of possession stats, which I would generally agree with. Let's look at # of plays spent on defense.

For New Orleans that was:
2006: 930
2007: 964
2008: 999
2009: 1,044
2010: 948
2011: 1,010
2012: 1,089
2013: 943
2014: 1,022
2015: 933

Philly finishing 32nd, 31st, and is on pace for 32nd again in # of plays on defense under Chip.
2013: 1,150
2014: 1,113
2015: 1,138 pace (1,067 current)

And that's while posting 10 win seasons in 2013 and 2014. Kelly was continually grinding his defensive players to a higher degree then pretty much any other team.
 

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Makes sense. Your offense moves at a faster pace, that means your defense is going to be going out a lot more regardless of score.

I wonder if there's a ratio between the difference between the amount the Eagles offense put their defense on the field due to being efficient, and how much a defense gets put on the field if an offense is sputtering. Kelly's offense should be putting it out less since it's still sustaining drives, but i wonder how small the difference is.
 

Roboturner913

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And during all those years the Saints finished with an average time of possession of less then 30:00 only one season. Whereas the Eagles have been dead last 32nd in possession time for every season of Chip's coaching, including those 10 win seasons.

If you don't care for time of possession stats, which I would generally agree with. Let's look at # of plays spent on defense.

For New Orleans that was:
2006: 930
2007: 964
2008: 999
2009: 1,044
2010: 948
2011: 1,010
2012: 1,089
2013: 943
2014: 1,022
2015: 933

Philly finishing 32nd, 31st, and is on pace for 32nd again in # of plays on defense under Chip.
2013: 1,150
2014: 1,113
2015: 1,138 pace (1,067 current)

And that's while posting 10 win seasons in 2013 and 2014. Kelly was continually grinding his defensive players to a higher degree then pretty much any other team.

As I said above, I think there probably is something to that idea. No arguments here. TOP is obviously extremely important.
 

GKJ

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Time of possession doesn't have to be important if you score as much as he did in Oregon. The principle isn't insane, but you have to execute. That was a major problem. During Eagles practices, they never corrected issues or mistakes on the field. They did it during team meetings and video sessions, but never practiced with it. The only important thing was practicing with pace. That just simply isn't going to fly.

And you sure as hell better have the talent. It can be done, but someone who isn't an egomaniac like Chip will be the one doing it.
 

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