Value of: Dunn Vs. Parayko

[izzy]

basically

parayko looked like a stud when he came into the league. he basically hasnt improved and this year he seems to have taken a bit of a step back. it seems to be a confidence thing or something because when hes on hes dominant at both ends of the ice.

dunn just has a lot of swagger, he isnt as reliable as parayko but he makes more plays that make you notice him.

end of the day, edmundson is often the best defender (though ive missed like the last 15 games because my internet isnt working well enough)

 

[blues hillbilly]

I don't think Mikkola is ever going to be an NHLer. He certainly doesn't project to be at this point. You could take him out of the deal if you want, I just know the Blues only have 2 contract spaces left.

Maybe, maybe not.

Heck, DA just extended Bortz for 2 years and loves his big Dmen. They were high on Mikkola during preseason and he seem to be moved up over Reinke and others.

DA is moving away from his aged and decrepit. He has been crucified over extensions in the past to Steen, Bergie and Sobotka.

 

[TK 421]

basically

parayko looked like a stud when he came into the league. he basically hasnt improved and this year he seems to have taken a bit of a step back. it seems to be a confidence thing or something because when hes on hes dominant at both ends of the ice.

dunn just has a lot of swagger, he isnt as reliable as parayko but he makes more plays that make you notice him.

end of the day, edmundson is often the best defender (though ive missed like the last 15 games because my internet isnt working well enough)

You should probably catch the games before making false statements and saying Parayko has taken a step back.

 

[rumrokh]

basically

parayko looked like a stud when he came into the league. he basically hasnt improved and this year he seems to have taken a bit of a step back. it seems to be a confidence thing or something because when hes on hes dominant at both ends of the ice.

dunn just has a lot of swagger, he isnt as reliable as parayko but he makes more plays that make you notice him.

end of the day, edmundson is often the best defender (though ive missed like the last 15 games because my internet isnt working well enough)

Edmundson has looked like doo-doo. Please endeavor not to contribute more doo-doo with a guess instead of an informed opinion about either his or Parayko's season.

 

[Alan Wake]

Parayko is a horribly overrated second pairing dman. Please stop trying to trade for him.

As a Tampa fan, I'd love to see what it would take to get him.

But then I realize that Blues fans would selfishly demand Brayden Point, and then it all gets sour from there.

 

[bleedblue1223]

As a Tampa fan, I'd love to see what it would take to get him.

But then I realize that Blues fans would selfishly demand Brayden Point, and then it all gets sour from there.

Miller+ if Army is looking to make a deal. Or Sergachev+.

 

[rumrokh]

As a Tampa fan, I'd love to see what it would take to get him.

But then I realize that Blues fans would selfishly demand Brayden Point, and then it all gets sour from there.

They really wouldn't. The days of needing a center are behind this fanbase. If the Blues move Parayko (very unlikely), they need a young defenseman coming back. Whether that's Parayko+ for a better player or Parayko for a couple NHL-ready prospects depends on the team.

 

[67Blues]

I've only seen a few Blues games this year, so small sample size and all that. I wonder if he'd do better in a different system with a different coach then. His physical tools are impressive. Of course to were Phaneuf's as a young guy.

That is precisely why we Blues fans are patiently waiting for a new coach and system as the "Yeo-stank" is still very strong with this current coaching staff. No need to start burning it down without a new coach.

 

[Reality Czech]

Just finished watching the Blues and Flames. Tough game for the Blues. I came away struck by two different players in Dunn and Parayko. I thought that Dunn looked like the Blues best defender and Parayko looked terrible. I've only watched 3 or 4 Blues games this year though. Is this a trend or is it only the games I've watched? Which player has more value to Blues fans?

In the previous game, Parayko was great and Dunn looked terrible. And so it goes...

 

[Alan Wake]

Miller+ if Army is looking to make a deal. Or Sergachev+.

Miller + is definitely something I'd be willing to work around. Maybe Miller, Cernak and a first (2020). 2019 if Tampa doesn't win the cup. If we do, it belongs to the Rangers as per the McDonagh trade.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

parayko looked like a stud when he came into the league. he basically hasnt improved and this year he seems to have taken a bit of a step back

Looks like a Ceci and Maatta type of bust.

 

[Weiss1604]

Looks like a Ceci and Maatta type of bust.

It could be worse though , we could have a overrated 33 year old making 7.857 million per year on the cap until 2025'26 , people in glass houses lol .....

 

[bleedblue1223]

Looks like a Ceci and Maatta type of bust.

No...

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

we could have a overrated 33 year old making 7.857 million per year

Weber is Overrated LOL ? have you watched one game of MTL this year ?
Jesus...

 

[Weiss1604]

Weber is Overrated LOL ? have you watched one game of MTL this year ?
Jesus...

Yes i have & for the first time in 3 years i actually enjoy watching them play . Love the irony in your post , touche sir ...

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Yes i have & for the first time in 3 years i actually enjoy watching them play . Love the irony in your post , touche sir ...

I do watch St-Louis, Tarasenko being my favorite player in the League.

Parayko hit is plateau last year. I don't have faith in him anymore.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Parayko hit is plateau last year. I don't have faith in him anymore.

You can still plateau and maintain that level for years. Parayko might not hit the potential that we thought he had, but he's still very good. If you think he's Ceci level or Maatta level, then I don't know what you are watching.

 

[Weiss1604]

I do watch St-Louis, Tarasenko being my favorite player in the League.

Parayko hit is plateau last year. I don't have faith in him anymore.

That's fair enough , everyone is entitled to their opinion & if you had said that initially i wouldn't have replied . Like i said love watching Montreal this year Domi , Druin , Kotka et al are making people sit up & take notice + in a play-off position despite Carey Price falling of a cliff & that makes all the more impressive .

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

You can still plateau and maintain that level for years. Parayko might not hit the potential that we thought he had, but he's still very good. If you think he's Ceci level or Maatta level, then I don't know what you are watching.

No, Parayko is better than those 2, but those 2 had the hype of Parayko, but didin't deliver to the just potential. They hit their plateau around the same age as Parayko.

I have a bit more faith in Dunn being a first pairing than Parayko. BUT I hope I'm wrong

 

[bleedblue1223]

No, Parayko is better than those 2, but those 2 had the hype of Parayko, but didin't deliver to the just potential. They hit their plateau around the same age as Parayko.

I have a bit more faith in Dunn being a first pairing than Parayko. BUT I hope I'm wrong

I mean you are wrong on that. Parayko is fine on the top-pair, he just might not ever be elite. Dunn will always be that PP specialist type of guy.

The game before Parayko scored 2 goals over 28 minutes while keeping arguably the best line in hockey in check. We can't evaluate players based on 1 game or a limited selection of games or even when everything about the team is a disaster. Parayko has improved his shot this season by getting it on net more, and he's one of the few regulars that still has a positive +/-, and his advanced stats are still top notch.

The only thing he's guilty of is overhype on HF, a good portion of which wasn't even done by Blues fans, and now there are outside fans over-compensating the other way. He might not win a Norris, but people on here act like he's regressed, which is just stupid.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

I mean you are wrong on that. Parayko is fine on the top-pair, he just might not ever be elite. Dunn will always be that PP specialist type of guy.

The game before Parayko scored 2 goals over 28 minutes while keeping arguably the best line in hockey in check. We can't evaluate players based on 1 game or a limited selection of games or even when everything about the team is a disaster. Parayko has improved his shot this season by getting it on net more, and he's one of the few regulars that still has a positive +/-, and his advanced stats are still top notch.

The only thing he's guilty of is overhype on HF, a good portion of which wasn't even done by Blues fans, and now there are outside fans over-compensating the other way. He might not win a Norris, but people on here act like he's regressed, which is just stupid.

one of my main problem with Parayko ( this year) is how bad the team is playing when he is on the ice. His Corsi is not good this year, and MOST of all the first pair in the league are staying at 50.5%+ but Parayko is bellow 50%. You can't be Elite and having a corsi below 50% ( even the bad teams have their first pair staying over 50%)

 

[bleedblue1223]

one of my main problem with Parayko ( this year) is how bad the team is playing when he is on the ice. His Corsi is not good this year, and MOST of all the first pair in the league are staying at 50.5%+ but Parayko is bellow 50%. You can't be Elite and having a corsi below 50% ( even the bad teams have their first pair staying over 50%)

Corsi is simply a poor stat, but that's a post for another time.

This team is garbage, that heavily influences corsi. His CF% rel has improved this season, it's 2.4, better than his career average. It's better to use the relative score in these scenarios because you are comparing apples to apples, how is he performing to others in the exact same situation or at least the most similar.

Corsi like +/- is partly a team stat. Comparing this season Parayko to last season Parayko is partially comparing this season Blues to last season Blues. It's apples and oranges.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

I have faith in our team....on Fridays....

 

[tony d]

Parayko seems to have fallen off this season, to me Dunn could be the more valuable Blue right now.

 

[Connor McConnor]

Dunn is better offensively, I think Parayko is better defensively. Obviously the whole team has struggled so everyone is looking worse than they actually are but that is just what I've seen from my own eyes after a handful of games. Even though Dunn might not have the shot, he just seems more naturally served to be the offensive guy.