Value of: Dumba to TOR

[zar]

Here’s a perspective: imagine a Wild fan created a thread for Draisaitl for Seeler++. Now imagine that a similar variation of that same thread kept popping up. Oilers fans say no we want XYZ player for him or we’d rather keep him. Wild fans eventually let it go, but then repeat the same proposal the next week and the cycle begins anew. That’s the overdramatic version/equivalent of what keeps happening.

How long can you last without losing patience for the same thing happening over and over again?

I get your perspective, because I see it consistently from all fan bases... it's an epidemic on this forum.

 

[Bruce Granville]

and I'd prefer to get a prime Bobby Orr, but that isn't realistic. Dumba doesn't have that kind of value

Okay, fair enough.
Then give us Matthews for Dumba, Foligno and Olofsson.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Okay, fair enough.
Then give us Matthews for Dumba, Foligno and Olofsson.

Matthews has more value than the entire Wild organization

 

[AKL]

Matthews has more value than the entire Wild organization

Wow, should be a rough summer when you have to give him 8 years, $445M then.

You better hope the cap goes up A LOT next summer.

 

[DFF]

Matthews has more value than the entire Wild organization

Just like you can't lose with Matthews, right?

 

[TheDoldrums]

I think discussing Nylander does nothing for Minnesota in the area they need it most: clutch playoff performers.

Dumba for Justin Williams it is then.

 

[rynryn]

hey at least it's not one year of JVR for Brodin and a 1st.

 

[AKL]

hey at least it's not one year of JVR for Brodin and a 1st.

I don't know, that's a better deal than a deal centered around Hyman for Dumba.

 

[Wanderson]

I think our best course of action is to just keep upping what we ask for in every thread until eventually people think we're idiots for asking so much and stop making threads.

Next Dumba to Toronto thread I'm asking for Matthews+Sandin.

It must be fantastic to be the official spokesperson of the Wild.

 

[nickschultzfan]

As much as I would like to see Nylander on the Wild, if I were the Leafs, I would be going after Trouba.

Gardiner + Liljegren + Kapanen/Hyman/Brown

Trouba + Kulikov

 

[rynryn]

look people, if you have any players who are from Wisconsin or who are friends with Ryan Suter then maybe you have a tiny little slight chance of successfully tweaking a deal as completely ridiculous as the OP.

 

[DoobieDubas]

to the poster before, Yes i agree Dumba could turn into or is a solid#2A ...maybe peak at a 1b but Hedman,Burns and chara in their primes were not #2s there were 1A and above the rest,not even a 1b. Thats the difference and all i was stating via projected future value.

I don't see reilly who comparable stats to dumba turning into those as well.
I see them peaking at 1b and most likely 2a's in terms of defence.

 

[howkie]

As much as I would like to see Nylander on the Wild, if I were the Leafs, I would be going after Trouba.

Gardiner + Liljegren + Kapanen/Hyman/Brown

Trouba + Kulikov

Wow, we get 2 assets we dont need (or more like to say, 1 we dont need and 1 chooker) or want and a good prospect

 

[AKL]

It must be fantastic to be the official spokesperson of the Wild.

I'm flattered you would think of me that way, but alas, I'm not.

 

[rynryn]

to the poster before, Yes i agree Dumba could turn into or is a solid#2A ...maybe peak at a 1b but Hedman,Burns and chara in their primes were not #2s there were 1A and above the rest,not even a 1b. Thats the difference and all i was stating via projected future value.

I don't see reilly who comparable stats to dumba turning into those as well.
I see them peaking at 1b and most likely 2a's in terms of defence.

sooooo...you're just basing this off your opinion. his ceiling is a 1b because. If you watched Burns at this age in his career and you saw "1A defenseman" you'd be a friggin savant. Burns wasn't as good offensively or defensively at 23.

 

[Jordan Belfort]

Wild management and ownership gave up Tuch and Haula to protect Dumba in the expansion draft, then new management and ownership gave him a 5 year contract last night, and every single Wild fan in this thread has said the exact same thing as I am.

I feel pretty comfortable using the term “we” at this point.

Because it was such a smart decision to give up Tuch and Haula.

 

[SupremeNachos]

I like how hard it is to portray sarcasm over the internet. Threads like these always give me a good chuckle.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Because it was such a smart decision to give up Tuch and Haula.

Over a 50 point, 23 year old RHD? It wasn’t a dumb decision.

 

[IceBoxHockey]

Because it was such a smart decision to give up Tuch and Haula.

I think most (All?) Wild fans would do it again.

 

[rynryn]

Because it was such a smart decision to give up Tuch and Haula.

it was. There were cap issues to consider as well and Haula could have become problematic. Tuch hurt, but still nowhere near a much as what the alternative would.

 

[57special]

sooooo...you're just basing this off your opinion. his ceiling is a 1b because. If you watched Burns at this age in his career and you saw "1A defenseman" you'd be a friggin savant. Burns wasn't as good offensively or defensively at 23.

Burns production(some of his early years he played some forward with the Wild);

22yo - 43 pts.
23 - 27 pts.
24 - 20 pts.
25 - 46 pts.
26 - 37 pts.
27 - 20 pts.
28 - 48 pts.
29 - 60 pts.

Dumba, of course, got his 50 points at age 23.

Burns was always an adventure defensively, though part of that was him being moved back and forth from d to forward. No one would mistake him for Suter defensively, though, ever. I've been known to criticize Dumba a time or two, but there are a lot of uninformed opinions on this thread by people who probably just don't watch him very often.

 

[rynryn]

Burns production(some of his early years he played some forward with the Wild);

22yo - 43 pts.
23 - 27 pts.
24 - 20 pts.
25 - 46 pts.
26 - 37 pts.
27 - 20 pts.
28 - 48 pts.
29 - 60 pts.

Dumba, of course, got his 50 points at age 23.

Burns was always an adventure defensively, though part of that was him being moved back and forth from d to forward. No one would mistake him for Suter defensively, though, ever. I've been known to criticize Dumba a time or two, but there are a lot of uninformed opinions on this thread by people who probably just don't watch him very often.

yes. first couple tastes of Dumba were very worrisome here but it's about progress and keeping in mind he was a project. Burns didn't have it easy with the lack of stability and it always seemed obvious to me he could be great but Dumba is much better at this age. Doesn't have the size though. Didn't Dumba severely disappoint in World Juniors or something? Maybe it's one of those first impression things that are causing people to undervalue him.

 

[57special]

yes. first couple tastes of Dumba were very worrisome here but it's about progress and keeping in mind he was a project. Burns didn't have it easy with the lack of stability and it always seemed obvious to me he could be great but Dumba is much better at this age. Doesn't have the size though. Didn't Dumba severely disappoint in World Juniors or something? Maybe it's one of those first impression things that are causing people to undervalue him.

I think Dumba was sick(flu?), and played badly. He is also a wildman, but so was Burns.

 

[2Pair]

yes. first couple tastes of Dumba were very worrisome here but it's about progress and keeping in mind he was a project. Burns didn't have it easy with the lack of stability and it always seemed obvious to me he could be great but Dumba is much better at this age. Doesn't have the size though. Didn't Dumba severely disappoint in World Juniors or something? Maybe it's one of those first impression things that are causing people to undervalue him.

Dumba got blamed for making the can't miss superstar Griffin Reinhart, look bad.

Dumba is better in his own end right now, than Burns will ever be.

 

[cannucky]

Now that he's signed a new deal I'd give Reilly straight up for Dumba .