Value of: Dumba to Philly

[AKL]

Yeah he wouldn’t be on my radar. Just looking at that post in a vacuum.

Yeah, fair enough

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Yeah he wouldn’t be on my radar. Just looking at that post in a vacuum.

He's quite good.

But potential is also valuable - and he's still got quite a bit

 

[BritainStix]

Why do these threads keep getting created

We cannot trade for a defenseman unless they are
A) a rental
B) on an ELC.

The expansion draft is real...

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

He's quite good.

But potential is also valuable - and he's still got quite a bit

I'm sure he does.

My whole thing with Minnesota/Philly would be for Dumba to round out your top 4, not replace one of them anyways, but expansion is definitely getting in the way of that.

 

[Blaine8797]

Myers and Frost for Dumba. Philly upgrades their defense with a forward they can't protect in expansion anyway

Myers is better than dumba wtf

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Myers is better than dumba wtf

I’d be interested to hear this case.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

We could definitely use a big guy but Dumba is nowhere near a soft player.

Dumba isn't huge - about 6' - but he's pretty tough. He is a PMD with above average skating and a bomb from the point. Defense used to be his weakness, but at this point I'd call him above average even there...the years of playing with Brodin and Suter have rubbed off on him.

If the deal can't happen till after the TDL then he likely won't be available. The only reason he would be is because of the Seattle ED.

I’m not sold on Dumba if the Flyers are acquiring a defenseman sometime after the expansion draft it should be more of a big shutdown defensive defenseman that the Flyers should be looking for.

Dumba’s style of play doesn’t lend itself to a longer career and his hockey IQ in his own zone has been somewhat reckless.

Dumba can get away with certain things because he can skate out of danger but when he slows down from those pinched open ice hits, what would Dumba be like by the age of 30 I’d bet it would be a declining scoring defenseman that wouldn’t score much.

Looking at his possession numbers is kinda telling as well.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I’m not sold on Dumba if the Flyers are acquiring a defenseman sometime after the expansion draft it should be more of a big shutdown defensive defenseman that the Flyers should be looking for.

Dumba’s style of play doesn’t lend itself to a longer career and his hockey IQ in his own zone has been somewhat reckless.

Dumba can get away with certain things because he can skate out of danger but when he slows down from those pinched open ice hits, what would Dumba be like by the age of 30 I’d bet it would be a declining scoring defenseman that wouldn’t score much.

Looking at his possession numbers is kinda telling as well.

You’re talking about a lot of things that were probably true when he was in the WHL. Been a long time since then.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

It’s funny how long these narratives from Dumba’s junior days will follow him around. He’s a good 2-way defenseman at this point. Like others have said, I would be interested in Frost or Farabee. I’m guessing the latter is a non-starter, though.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

You’re talking about a lot of things that were probably true when he was in the WHL. Been a long time since then.

I wasn’t referring to his days as a player in juniors but more what I’ve seen within the last few seasons.

Dumba has gotten better defensively and is a decent 2-way defenseman but the hockey IQ seems to be the weakness in his game.

In the end I don’t believe the Flyers should be targeting Dumba as a trade option especially since he’d be behind Myers and the 6mil cap hit isn’t all that appeasing since the pieces that are being asked for (Myers, Farabee, Frost) aren’t worth trading from a sensible POV for Dumba also the Flyers are going to have their own RFA’s to resign Hart, Sanheim, Patrick and Bunnaman, so fitting in an extra 6mil might be out of the question unless other moves are made after expansion.

 

[Tripod]

The Flyers have a top 10 point producer in the league this year. We will trade you him for Dumba.

 

[AKL]

The Flyers have a top 10 point producer in the league this year. We will trade you him for Dumba.

Throw in Frost and a 1st and we'll do it.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I wasn’t referring to his days as a player in juniors but more what I’ve seen within the last few seasons.

Dumba has gotten better defensively and is a decent 2-way defenseman but the hockey IQ seems to be the weakness in his game.

In the end I don’t believe the Flyers should be targeting Dumba as a trade option especially since he’d be behind Myers and the 6mil cap hit isn’t all that appeasing since the pieces that are being asked for (Myers, Farabee, Frost) aren’t worth trading from a sensible POV for Dumba also the Flyers are going to have their own RFA’s to resign Hart, Sanheim, Patrick and Bunnaman, so fitting in an extra 6mil might be out of the question unless other moves are made after expansion.

Once again, what’s the case for him being behind Myers?

 

[Tripod]

Throw in Frost and a 1st and we'll do it.

Naw....we are good.

 

[Bob Clarke Fan Club]

It’s funny how long these narratives from Dumba’s junior days will follow him around. He’s a good 2-way defenseman at this point. Like others have said, I would be interested in Frost or Farabee. I’m guessing the latter is a non-starter, though.

I'd center something around Frost, I like Dumba. Not at the expense of Big Phil tho.

 

[HotDish]

Why do these threads keep getting created

We cannot trade for a defenseman unless they are
A) a rental
B) on an ELC.

The expansion draft is real...

eh your GM made deals with Vegas to protect unprotected players. He might be willing to do it again.

 

[Blaine8797]

I’d be interested to hear this case.

Advanced statistics go on a andyrono.com and take a look

 

[Spurgeon]

Advanced statistics go on a andyrono.com and take a look

Looking at most common 5v5 defensive pairing production from 2018-2019 - Present:

Brodin - Dumba: 54 xGF%, 54.2 SCF%, 61.61 HDCF%, 55.1 HDGF%

Sanheim - Myers: 50.7 xGF%, 53.1 SCF%, 50.2 HDCF%, 50 HDGF%

I get Myers has good underlying numbers, but Flyers fans claiming they wouldn't trade Dumba for Myers 1-for-1 are being ridiculous. Dumba put up 14G - 36A as a 23 year old.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Looking at most common 5v5 defensive pairing production from 2018-2019 - Present:

Brodin - Dumba: 54 xGF%, 54.2 SCF%, 61.61 HDCF%, 55.1 HDGF%

Sanheim - Myers: 50.7 xGF%, 53.1 SCF%, 50.2 HDCF%, 50 HDGF%

I get Myers has good underlying numbers, but Flyers fans claiming they wouldn't trade Dumba for Myers 1-for-1 are being ridiculous. Dumba put up 14G - 36A as a 23 year old.

It’s fine if they prefer Myers because he’s younger, cheaper, taller, whatever. It’s the “better” part that doesn’t compute.

 

[BernieParent]

eh your GM made deals with Vegas to protect unprotected players. He might be willing to do it again.

We are extremely hopeful he learned not to do that.

 

[Blaine8797]

Looking at most common 5v5 defensive pairing production from 2018-2019 - Present:

Brodin - Dumba: 54 xGF%, 54.2 SCF%, 61.61 HDCF%, 55.1 HDGF%

Sanheim - Myers: 50.7 xGF%, 53.1 SCF%, 50.2 HDCF%, 50 HDGF%

I get Myers has good underlying numbers, but Flyers fans claiming they wouldn't trade Dumba for Myers 1-for-1 are being ridiculous. Dumba put up 14G - 36A as a 23 year old.

Totally different players, what we need is a defenseman who’s good at defence more so than offence, myers gap control is insane he does everything right defensively and that’s what we need more than anything, he will be a force for years and won’t make a pile of money off of his next contract it just doesnt make sense from the flyers standpoint

 

[FlyguyOX]

Totally different players, what we need is a defenseman who’s good at defence more so than offence, myers gap control is insane he does everything right defensively and that’s what we need more than anything, he will be a force for years and won’t make a pile of money off of his next contract it just doesnt make sense from the flyers standpoint

Agree. His combination of being a RHD, big, strong, aggressive, and fast is valuable. He’s a mistake eraser. That’s what we need more of now than a guy that needs the puck on his stick to make a difference