TSN: Ducks listening on everyone.
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Manson is not really being very productive- maybe a change would be good but he doesn't look like he is all in right now.
WhatTheDuck
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Oh I know, just speaking in terms of organizational depth. Tons of LHD and really nothing on the right.
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we hear this same dialogue every year.
Theodore (given as a gift to vegas)
Vatanen (moved for a 40ishpt 3C)
Montour (late 1st + B prospect)
I dont think they move manson because the D already is terrible and Gibson deserves better.
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They will want
Kapanen
Liljegren
1st
more
not worth it. I saw a dude suggest it starts with Sandin+
Ritchie has never even come close to scoring 20 goals, not even on pace. He's also never put up the numbers kap and johnsson have, only on pace. On pace only holds value if the player has a history of putting up those numbers. So no, Ritchie doesn't hold the same value as the other 2
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WhatTheDuck
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You never seem to be able to make your points without exaggerating. Theodore wasn't "given as a gift", in return for giving him up, the Ducks got Vegas to draft one of their bad contracts rather than a key player. Vatanen wasn't trade for a 3C, Henrique was a 50 point guy that year, he was consistently a top 6 player for NJ and remains one for the Ducks.
The difference between Montour and Manson - they gave up on Montour becoming a dependable minute muncher. Manson has already been one for multiple years now. They soured on Montour and still got a 1st + B prospect, and by every account (quotes from GMs) they're absolutely in love with Manson.
It's so easy to flip your post around. We hear this same dialogue every year. Leafs can easily acquire Manson for whatever collection of B assets they feel like giving up - oh wait it's been five years now and he's still a Duck.
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I interpreted what you said as their values are close. Personally, if dubas made a kapanen + liljgren swap for manson + Ritchie, I'd feel hosed. Liljgren is going to be a good defenseman for years to come, as much as I think Manson is a fit for Toronto, you don't give away talent like that for a couple years of a stay at home defenseman
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I dont think the difference is as much as leaf fans would think, kap is prob easily a 1st, aj prob a 2nd and ritchie prob in that 2nd range.
As for manson and liljegren.... thats really the only piece that is intrigueing from anahiem perspective. You dont have a 1st this year, sandin i assume is a no go, robertson prob a no go.
2nd doesnt get it done... kapanen + i suppose might get a conversation started.
Bracco has pretty much 0 value to us, and dermott isnt really attractive for us.
I personally have a hard time seeing a trade made without liljegren... as we have 0 rhd depth
Is there really an immediate need for a right hand d? I mean, this team should probably tank for another year
WhatTheDuck
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They aren't tanking now, zero indication that they're trying to be as bad as possible. Paying zero attention to the current and future needs of your team is a really stupid way to operate. Of course they aren't going to just take whatever they can get and will want pieces that fit their needs.
The Ducks have only RHD under contract after next year, and that's Manson. They absolutely need to make a point of building quality RD depth.
Leafs fans have spent years now trying to poach RHDs like Manson from the Ducks, because you've never been able to build proper depth on that side - is it really that difficult to understand that the Ducks want to have proper depth of their own?
The road back to contending doesn't need to be nearly as long as some here seem to think. They are miles ahead of where the Leafs and other teams started from in their builds - due to the quality of goaltending and defense already in place. You start selling off core pieces without paying any mind to who is going to fill their place in the future - that's going to slow the retool down rather than help speed it up.
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While i agree for the most part, theres also the fact that out of liljegren what else is there for us in toronto?
Already a report that said if manson is moved its because a team paid a lot, and that doesnt mean kapanen.
Bracco has little to no interest for us, dermott is basically a waste for us to get.
I just have trouble finding a trade that works for both sides. Id go as far as saying the teams dont make good trade partners for manson, unless dubas gets desperate
I'm not really suggesting a trade, just saying if that's what it takes to get him, the leafs are better off walking away
hey listen buddy I am not pick happy I am just sayin that look at the cupboard is bare not much left, so you keep trading high picks away your future is done, back to the ballard days ouch, they have one kid that has any value in junior that's is Robertson, name me another, your future is already with the parent club not much else and you wanna trade high picks away, the 4th through 7th rounds is a crap shoolt you get lucky once in a while, as far as looking back at past draft just maybe the scouts sucked big time that's the reason they never did anything...
I'd give BUF's 2020 2nd (probably ends up being 34th-38th overall) and a B-level prospect for Kase
I agree with this point, but would add that you also have to factor in the expansion draft. At this point, the ducks probably protect only 3 d-men, which would be Lindholm, Manson, and Fowler. So anyone they add would, ideally, be exempt from expansion. So to build depth at RHD, you need to either add a young player or add a UFA (Shattenkirk?) that you don't mind losing in expansion. And with a big contract, Shattenkirk probably isn't super attractive to Seattle.
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Personally I think some of those "key" pieces should be looked at to be moved... maybe not at the deadline(depends on price tho) ... but draft/next deadline.
WhatTheDuck
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Making their early 1st round pick in June will give the Ducks a more clear picture of their biggest needs moving forward, because that player is obviously going to be considered a key piece of the puzzle. This especially rings true if Drysdale ends up being the BPA rather than a forward.
