News Article: Ducks Ice complex in Irvine (Orange County Great Park)

[Terry Yake]

OC needs more rinks, but is there really a reason to put 4 of them in one area? From the article it sounds like they originally only were planning to build 3 and then it was changed to 4. I wonder if this was from the city or the Samuelis.

If seems to me that it would be better to build more, smaller facilities than a few large ones.

i think they wanted a bigger and more modern "main rink" in OC to replace Anaheim Ice, which for years has been the main rink in OC

the rapid growth of the high school league being the other reason. with so many new players the demand for ice is only growing, and opening this new rink will be HUGE for hockey in OC

 

[snarktacular]

i think they wanted a bigger and more modern "main rink" in OC to replace Anaheim Ice, which for years has been the main rink in OC

the rapid growth of the high school league being the other reason. with so many new players the demand for ice is only growing, and opening this new rink will be HUGE for hockey in OC

That's kind of my point. I think the high school leagues would prefer more rinks more locally.

But the earlier post about tournaments I'd a good point.

 

[duckpuck]

Not always. Unless you're specifically defining long-term as those leases in which the landlord inherits the improvements at the end.

I'm defining ground lease, not long term.

Yes always. A ground lease is defined as where the owner leases the ground, without improvements, and the tenant builds the improvements at its expense. To make these deals work, the leases are almost always long term - at least 30 years but often much longer - so that the tenant has an opportunity to recover its investment over a long time. At the end of the lease, the improvements are owned by the landlord if for no reason other than the fact that the tenant can't move them easily.

 

[duckpuck]

Well, if you want to think the Irvine company has no say in a project this big, OK. I'm not saying they dictated any of the terms, but nothing that big happens in that city without them being on board. Those ******** have a hand in everything. Even if it's through the back door.

I didn't say TIC held no sway in Irvine. I was responding to your original comment - patently false - that TIC "made them an offer they couldn't refuse." TIC made no such offer and had no role in this deal (perhaps other than not opposing it). Don't change the subject.

And for the record, TIC is a competitor with the base in most respects - both in selling homes and commercial industrial space. For example, they both competed aggressively to host the new Broadcom campus - and TIC lost that battle.

TIC's certainly has influence at the city, but it has nothing to do with the ducks practice facility.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I didn't say TIC held no sway in Irvine. I was responding to your original comment - patently false - that TIC "made them an offer they couldn't refuse." TIC made no such offer and had no role in this deal (perhaps other than not opposing it). Don't change the subject.

And for the record, TIC is a competitor with the base in most respects - both in selling homes and commercial industrial space. For example, they both competed aggressively to host the new Broadcom campus - and TIC lost that battle.

TIC's certainly has influence at the city, but it has nothing to do with the ducks practice facility.

Lighten up. It was just an expression used to convey their clout in the city. I'm quite aware they are not signatories to the deal. But don't think if they were opposed to the deal they couldn't apply pressure to the city with the clout they have.

 

[Kalv]

For comparison, here is an arena with 2500 seats.

I think this complex will be fantastic for the hockey in SoCal and the Ducks.

How many seats in Anaheim ice? 1000 IIRC? It`s always packed

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Anyone know if they're hiring hockey/Ducks crazy Canadians who are sick of cold weather?

 

[Trojans86]

That's kind of my point. I think the high school leagues would prefer more rinks more locally.

But the earlier post about tournaments I'd a good point.

It's all relative. Kids playing baseball or soccer would consider driving 30 minutes to a game as far, but kids in the area playing hockey are used to driving an hour or 2 for their home ice because of a lack of capacity. This should greatly help capacity and provide kids within a pretty good distance a reasonable option for a home rink. Its also is great for tournaments. You get the benefit of a hub for tournaments while also freeing up capacity at local rinks. Win win.

 

[kducks]

For comparison, here is an arena with 2500 seats.

I think this complex will be fantastic for the hockey in SoCal and the Ducks.

How many seats in Anaheim ice? 1000 IIRC? It`s always packed

I can't find a seating capacity but I would say closer to 500 than 1000. They just have a few rows of wooden bleachers for fans to sit on and it is always too crowded at training camp nowadays. Back in the 90's you used to be able to hang with no one really there.

 

[Kalv]

Let the building roll: http://www.ocregister.com/articles/ice-744226-ducks-complex.html

Pretty cool what they are doing, the complex will be sweet!

1 of 4 rinks will be Olympic size

 

[Ducks Nation*]

For sure making a team there to add to the 3 I'm playing on right now haha that looks amazing

 

[pbgoalie]

Won't adding more rinks and having more people playing lower our already sinking tv ratings?��

So great to see the growth of hockey the Ducks are striving to build!!

 

[TesseracT]

This rink is a great opportunity for UCI to have a D1 (USCHO) hockey team. They're never going to compete with football (do they even have a team?) or basketball with USC and UCLA in the area. Would you guys in the area pay ~$15 to watch the Anteaters take on BC, Minnesota, NoDak, etc?

 

[salsa man]

This rink is a great opportunity for UCI to have a D1 (USCHO) hockey team. They're never going to compete with football (do they even have a team?) or basketball with USC and UCLA in the area. Would you guys in the area pay ~$15 to watch the Anteaters take on BC, Minnesota, NoDak, etc?

No football team. Long Beach State and CS Fullerton had teams until the 90s.

UCI hockey probably wouldn't be able to charge $15, you can get some secondary market Ducks tickets for that. Also, I doubt UCI would add a D-1 team anytime soon, too much money, unless Samueli pulled a Terry Pegula-Penn State deal. If any SoCal school was to add a D-1 team, it'd be USC... and since USC club hockey already plays at Anaheim Ice, it would make sense for them to put a potential D-1 team at the Irvine complex. Galen couldn't do hockey, and Staples is already too crowded in terms of events.

 

[Kalv]

Noticed another project picture:

 

[Ducks Nation*]

Let the building roll: http://www.ocregister.com/articles/ice-744226-ducks-complex.html

Pretty cool what they are doing, the complex will be sweet!

1 of 4 rinks will be Olympic size

Going to be funny for beer league games when theres 2 fans in the stands in that huge arena

 

[TesseracT]

No football team. Long Beach State and CS Fullerton had teams until the 90s.

UCI hockey probably wouldn't be able to charge $15, you can get some secondary market Ducks tickets for that. Also, I doubt UCI would add a D-1 team anytime soon, too much money, unless Samueli pulled a Terry Pegula-Penn State deal. If any SoCal school was to add a D-1 team, it'd be USC... and since USC club hockey already plays at Anaheim Ice, it would make sense for them to put a potential D-1 team at the Irvine complex. Galen couldn't do hockey, and Staples is already too crowded in terms of events.

Thanks for the info! These are the things I'm not privy to being on the other side of the country. If USC & UCLA added teams we could have a good West Coast DI league. Pick off both Alaska teams, Denver, Colorado College, and Arizona State. Though Denver and Colorado College would wreak havoc on that collection of teams until Alaska and the rest got their act together. It's all a pipe dream at this point anyways.

 

[duckpuck]

Thanks for the info! These are the things I'm not privy to being on the other side of the country. If USC & UCLA added teams we could have a good West Coast DI league. Pick off both Alaska teams, Denver, Colorado College, and Arizona State. Though Denver and Colorado College would wreak havoc on that collection of teams until Alaska and the rest got their act together. It's all a pipe dream at this point anyways.

Highly doubtful there will be any new D-1 men's teams in any sport, much less hockey, due to Title IX. This is particularly true at USC and UCLA and other schools with football teams. Women's teams could be a possibility for the same reason.

 

[IDuck]

Highly doubtful there will be any new D-1 men's teams in any sport, much less hockey, due to Title IX. This is particularly true at USC and UCLA and other schools with football teams. Women's teams could be a possibility for the same reason.

and UofAA is about to go under, and I dont know how far behind fairbanks will be.

 

[Trojans86]

Highly doubtful there will be any new D-1 men's teams in any sport, much less hockey, due to Title IX. This is particularly true at USC and UCLA and other schools with football teams. Women's teams could be a possibility for the same reason.

I've heard a usc d1 team has legs and theyalready have the money raised. Maybe they'd add a girls team or softball team to help with title ix.

 

[Kalv]

The main rink will be called ''FivePoint Arena at Great Park Ice''

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/ice-747839-fivepoint-complex.html

 

[Puckstop40]

I remember when it was only rumors about this project getting built. The design looks awesome and reminds me of Sharks Ice, where they have multiple rinks inside a large facility. Any reports about what the pro shop will be like? Monkey Sports is just around the corner and I imagine they will be very busy because of this new facility.

 

[Lyons71]

Ah I'm gonna start playing again next spring. Perfect timing!! (If I go there. If Anaheim ice still has decent adult leagues I'll probably go there)

 

[Magnus the Duck]

Looks great. Good to see more rinks in the local area.