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TSN: Dubas on TSN2 Aug 3rd.: “We’re gonna give Rasmus and Timothy every chance to make the team”
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MapleLeafs9
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Because everyone is seemingly handing the bottom pairing spots to Marincin/Harpur/Schmaltz when I’ve never felt that’s the case
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There you go, the GM said Lilly could make the team. If he really wasn't progressing, Dubas wouldn't make those comments.
Sandin could also impress enough to make the team.
Sandin could also impress enough to make the team.
stickty111
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Funny enough if we want defence, Lilly is better then all the guys you mentioned. Sandin is better offensively then all those guys.
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I'm pretty sure last year Babcock said something about them not having any chance to make the team. It should definitely be open for them to grab a spot
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Ya we should probably give them a shot. I mean we have multiple 1sts in play this and last year.
Jake lost 1st not trading
Jake Muzzin paid 1st + loss if not signed
Barrie is a lost 1st+ if not signed
Marleau spent 1st to rid
Ideally I would want Lilj/Sandin to make the team, Muzzin traded for 1st, Barrie signed and Gardiner on a short term signed.
That maximizes our expenses and asset values.
Jake lost 1st not trading
Jake Muzzin paid 1st + loss if not signed
Barrie is a lost 1st+ if not signed
Marleau spent 1st to rid
Ideally I would want Lilj/Sandin to make the team, Muzzin traded for 1st, Barrie signed and Gardiner on a short term signed.
That maximizes our expenses and asset values.
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I mean, he’s not going to exactly say they have no shot and won’t make it.
But, I do believe it. He said last season they expected Liljegren to challenge for a spot by the end of the year, if it weren’t for his injury.
And honestly, I think there’s a good chance he makes it.
But, I do believe it. He said last season they expected Liljegren to challenge for a spot by the end of the year, if it weren’t for his injury.
And honestly, I think there’s a good chance he makes it.
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Which players did Dubas say were not going to be given a chance to make the team?
If the back half of the Marlies season is any indication Liljegren is the best bottom pair 5v5 option and Sandin still needs some seasoning in the AHL defensively
The only question I have is will they be looking for somebody on the bottom pair RD that can PK because that could mean they hold off on promoting Liljegren, for the first half of the season anyway
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Babcock was asked what are lily/sandin chances of making the team last year during camp, Babcock answer was "no chance"
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"They're not taking anyone's job. It's just flat out impossible at this point."
he said that on Sept 20th last year, with plenty of time left in preseason. I think it was after their first game after they had a great showing.
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It was the right decision not giving them an NHL spot last year... it would have been poor asset management and could have ruined their development. Neither were ready to be on the Leafs, and even if they were (they weren't), it would have impacted our decisions for the expansion draft.
The Babcock factor will keep them out. Even if they exceed expectations and are the obvious choice come game one.
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The reason the leafs couldn't really do much last year is entirely because the Leafs absolutely needed cap space... they could not in any way use LTIR. They had to do everything under the cap.
Near the end of the year, Liljegren would have been good to come up because there'd be no way to hit his bonuses. They aren't much, but it's $400k real cap so it wasn't worth the risk. But they decided against it and opted to get muzzin instead.
This year, however, is no holds barred. They are tapping LTIR with cap opening up next season so that means dress all the rookiesssss
Also i remember this analysis a couple years ago that basically stated if your defenseman doesn't hit the NHL by age 21, he's likely not going to be a star. We kind of have it in our head that defensemen take longer but it's not really true... some do work out over time but the real good ones need to be in the NHL early just like forwards and the rate of failure increases sharply afterwards. It's just there's only 4 prime D slots on every team so 1 working out after 21 kinda messes with our view of things.
Near the end of the year, Liljegren would have been good to come up because there'd be no way to hit his bonuses. They aren't much, but it's $400k real cap so it wasn't worth the risk. But they decided against it and opted to get muzzin instead.
This year, however, is no holds barred. They are tapping LTIR with cap opening up next season so that means dress all the rookiesssss
Also i remember this analysis a couple years ago that basically stated if your defenseman doesn't hit the NHL by age 21, he's likely not going to be a star. We kind of have it in our head that defensemen take longer but it's not really true... some do work out over time but the real good ones need to be in the NHL early just like forwards and the rate of failure increases sharply afterwards. It's just there's only 4 prime D slots on every team so 1 working out after 21 kinda messes with our view of things.
IMO, there will be no apprentices in the starting lineup on this team, its all about the W at this point
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And they likely won't make it, especially sandin.
No need to burn a year of his elc. What else is he going to say.
No need to burn a year of his elc. What else is he going to say.
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He is going to say that he is really optmi about a Marner deal. He is going to mention that other RFAs are in similar situations. He hopes that are PTOs work out here or elsewhere. He would thank the panel for having him on. Basically, things that anyone with knowledge of what happing with the team would say when they want to inform people about what is going on with the Leafs. This is what he did say: https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/dubas-talks-leafs-prospects-marner-contract-update~1745656
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DarkKnight
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Keefe on Lil’s season.
“Absolutely, LIljegren didn’t have a great start to the year, and he had his own injury problems. The high ankle sprain really set him back a number of weeks. Through that time, I’m not sure if it was the additional time in the gym, or the time with the skilled coaches, or just the time away from the daily grind in the daily schedule, when he came back from that injury, he had gotten better every time out. I think he’s playing his best hockey for us right now. That really helped us turn the corner. It was like adding a defenceman to our lineup that was really able to take on these minutes. We were giving him these minutes early in the season, but it wasn’t going as well, and it was hurting our team, but he has really stabilized his game, and taken very big steps, and our team has benefited from it.”
Note the complete and utter disconnect between the coach and the tire pumping Dubas. Dubas was telling media Lil was coming up if he hadn’t been hurt, yet the coach was saying he didn’t even deserve the minutes he was getting, he was actually hurting the team prior to his injury. Now Keefe is very complimentary when he came back, I think we all agree he played very well. The point is, Dubas pumps our prospects, which he should do, but clearly the coach didn’t see him as pushing for an NHL job when Dubas was suggesting it, in fact he was barely holding his AHL job, if merit was your guide. Dubas’ comment was myth and PR, or the coach Dubas adores was watching a different player. As for this camp, both kids will have to steal a job,I predict the Dermott model for Lil....hopefully strong camp, goes down, dominates and comes up mid season. That would be fantastic development curve.
“Absolutely, LIljegren didn’t have a great start to the year, and he had his own injury problems. The high ankle sprain really set him back a number of weeks. Through that time, I’m not sure if it was the additional time in the gym, or the time with the skilled coaches, or just the time away from the daily grind in the daily schedule, when he came back from that injury, he had gotten better every time out. I think he’s playing his best hockey for us right now. That really helped us turn the corner. It was like adding a defenceman to our lineup that was really able to take on these minutes. We were giving him these minutes early in the season, but it wasn’t going as well, and it was hurting our team, but he has really stabilized his game, and taken very big steps, and our team has benefited from it.”
Note the complete and utter disconnect between the coach and the tire pumping Dubas. Dubas was telling media Lil was coming up if he hadn’t been hurt, yet the coach was saying he didn’t even deserve the minutes he was getting, he was actually hurting the team prior to his injury. Now Keefe is very complimentary when he came back, I think we all agree he played very well. The point is, Dubas pumps our prospects, which he should do, but clearly the coach didn’t see him as pushing for an NHL job when Dubas was suggesting it, in fact he was barely holding his AHL job, if merit was your guide. Dubas’ comment was myth and PR, or the coach Dubas adores was watching a different player. As for this camp, both kids will have to steal a job,I predict the Dermott model for Lil....hopefully strong camp, goes down, dominates and comes up mid season. That would be fantastic development curve.
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