Liferleafer
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Ok...Weber a 50% for Zaitsev....dam, you drive a hard bargain.But us Hab fans were told by our great GM that if you're offered Shea Weber you don't ask for more.
Ok...Weber a 50% for Zaitsev....dam, you drive a hard bargain.But us Hab fans were told by our great GM that if you're offered Shea Weber you don't ask for more.
The sooner the better.The big move on D is going to be swapping Dermott and Hainsey.
No disagreement with you there, the problem is the future D isn’t ready and they are, or trying to compete now. Do you waste a year or two for those D men to be NHL ready when you’re a top 10 team in the league. I think you try to win when you can and not wait on what if’sthe truth is dubas is likely pretty dang stoked to have a rielly/dermott/sandin/Liljegren top-4 going forward, and more than comfortable with ozzy/rosen/marincin/holl/borgman/Durzi as bottom pair depth going forward, too.
contrary to popular belief, the leafs have plenty of blueline talent.
maybe but look bad on dubas who said nylander would be here a long time and not dealt.Trade Nylander.
He doesn’t have a NMC, a NTC, or limited version of either.
I think, considering the age of their core, they have all their eggs in a D built on Rielly, Dermott, Liljegren, and Sandin. If it is sufficient depends on the next few years of development of the latter 3, but the Leafs did build this team with that in mind. It just so happens that Matthews, Marner and Nylander being so good so soon accelerated the build.
the truth is dubas is likely pretty dang stoked to have a rielly/dermott/sandin/Liljegren top-4 going forward, and more than comfortable with ozzy/rosen/marincin/holl/borgman/Durzi as bottom pair depth going forward, too.
contrary to popular belief, the leafs have plenty of blueline talent.
I'd rather the Leafs work on year three of a twenty-five or thirty-year playoff run in which they could win multiple cups than play the short-game of giving up futures for win-now illusions.No disagreement with you there, the problem is the future D isn’t ready and they are, or trying to compete now. Do you waste a year or two for those D men to be NHL ready when you’re a top 10 team in the league. I think you try to win when you can and not wait on what if’s
I didn’t blame anyone. But I also don’t agree that top 4 defencemen should be getting 6 million. If top 2 guys are getting upwards of 10 and more you’re crippling your cap if guys on the 2nd pairing are making more then 6In a 80M cap league ? I disagree.
Rosters are capped at 23 contracts, you will have superstars paid a lot, and young rookies at league minimum contracts, but the average comes to just shy of 3.5M per player. If he's a top 4 defenceman he definitely deserves that money. Besides, don't blame players when its the GM's and Owners who started giving out double-digit contracts.
Rielly for Tkachuk (manageable cap hit for 2 years)
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.
When does Lily get a shot? Or Rosen? If there isn't a viable option out there or if Gards wants more than the leafs can afford.Pysyk from Flordia is the most obvious target.
I don't think Calgary touches that tbh.Let’s think outside the box... purely fantasy.
Rielly for Tkachuk (manageable cap hit for 2 years)
Sign Gardiner (keep the asset)
Make a futures trade for Pietrangelo
Tkachuk - Matthews - Nylander
Dermott - Pietrangelo
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Hansey - Ozhiganov
For reference AnaheimI didn’t blame anyone. But I also don’t agree that top 4 defencemen should be getting 6 million. If top 2 guys are getting upwards of 10 and more you’re crippling your cap if guys on the 2nd pairing are making more then 6
The problem is that the Leafs are contenders today, the window is wide open and if we need to wait 3 years, then that's basically wasting 3 years of a contention window.
Contention in the new NHL comes in 2 waves. Prior to the core signing their prime contracts, and a second wave when the salary cap catches up and those contracts become relatively less costly.
Pittsburgh being the most recent example.
Unfortunately for Toronto, that first window used to be longer. But now with players signing their prime contracts out of the ELC, they will likely be more successful during the second wave which is 3-4 years down the line.
No disagreement with you there, the problem is the future D isn’t ready and they are, or trying to compete now. Do you waste a year or two for those D men to be NHL ready when you’re a top 10 team in the league. I think you try to win when you can and not wait on what if’s
I think because your top pairing isn’t making that much that they could afford to give Fowler 6 million. I guess it all depends on how much the defence is making. I personally don’t think Gardiner is good enough to be a top pairing defenceman but think he is an expensive number 3. Maybe I’m just looking at the numbers all wrong.For reference Anaheim
Lindholm(5.8)- Manson(4.1)
Fowler(6.5)- Montour(3.4)- Montour is a bridge deal
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Rest are under 1.5 mil each
Larsson/Dotchin/Mahura/Sustr etc
I think Gardiner is likely going to ask for the type of contract cam fowler got, hell at least ask for 6+ at least id assume... and a I think fowler/Gardiner are pretty comparable
Lily is out with a high ankle sprain. The way Dubas spoke today, if he hadn't been hurt he would have seen some time this year. Now I'd assume next year.When does Lily get a shot? Or Rosen? If there isn't a viable option out there or if Gards wants more than the leafs can afford.
AsSo just out of curiosity where would they get a RHD from? I’m sure if it was easy and they didn’t have to over pay they would probably have one.
As a pure rental for this year only I'd target either petrovic or gudas. They aren't top pairing, but imho they're both better than oz and hainsey rn.So just out of curiosity where would they get a RHD from? I’m sure if it was easy and they didn’t have to over pay they would probably have one.
Um... it was just the timing mostlyI think because your top pairing isn’t making that much that they could afford to give Fowler 6 million. I guess it all depends on how much the defence is making. I personally don’t think Gardiner is good enough to be a top pairing defenceman but think he is an expensive number 3. Maybe I’m just looking at the numbers all wrong.
I didn’t blame anyone. But I also don’t agree that top 4 defencemen should be getting 6 million. If top 2 guys are getting upwards of 10 and more you’re crippling your cap if guys on the 2nd pairing are making more then 6
Another interesting anecdote is that Toronto had Liljegren in their plans for a call-up post-New Year, but he suffered a high-ankle sprain that will likely require him to rehab with the Marlies for longer than expected. There is still a chance he plays with Sweden at the WJC, but he will be a step behind.
As a 19 year old he is playing top pair, top matchup minutes. So far Liljegren's +1.5% Corsi Rel is second among Marlies D-men. He has 56.8% shot attempts overall and was seeing PP1+PK1 time too. He's been an all-situations work horse for them while scoring at a near .50PPG. He would have been a huge answer for their right side. This might force Dubas' hand.
Absolutely. IIRC Liljegren is going on 2-3 weeks now and will be re-evaluated by Sweden's medical staff in the coming weeks to see if he can clear. Otherwise, he will sit out the WJC and continue to rehab but either way I doubt we see him called up now. Going to take some time for him to get back up to speed. Luckily Sandin has stepped up massively in his absence.High ankle sprains are awful, and can take a LONG time to fully heal.