Drastic measures! (Not an overreaction :) )

[Atas2000]

For crying out loud, a team based of purely KHL players had trouble in the EHT with Finland European based players already. It's the coaching where the problems were.

We're looking at the typical Jekyll/Hyde story here. Bill's 2012 WC and his Channel One Cup roster were working more than well. Major difference was Datsyuk centering Ovechkin snd Syomin at the WC and Kovy-Radu at the COC. Then he blows it up completely for the Olympics with the exception of the Datsyuk line from COC(Not surrprisingly this wa sthe only line that worked).

I guess Bill alone knows why he did that, but that was definitely the main reason for failure.

 

[Peter25]

Big trouble? What do you mean by that? Do you think that NHL players will play in Korea? According to NBC Sports in the United States, the decision has already been made, mainly because the calculation is that the NHL took a bath financially in these games, and nobody back in NA (other than Canada, perhaps) watched them at 6 a.m. in the morning. It would be even worse in Korea. The teams that have a lot of KHL players, like Russia and Finland, could probably expect to be dominant in 2018.

Of course I was talking about a situation where the NHL would release it's players for the 2018 Olympics.

If that does not happen then the Olympics will basically be another EHT-tournament and North American teams trying to gather the best non-NHL players.

 

[MaximusT]

We should start by letting rest Ovechkin/Syomin/Kovalchuk/Varlamov/etc at the next WC and call instead Vasilevsky/Buchnevich/Mironov/Antipin/Karpov/Malykhin/Panarin/Prokhorkin/Burmistrov/Chudinov
But for some reasons we won't see it happening

Exactly what I proposed in the GDT after we lost to the Fins. Time to grow for the future.
Plus, this is what the US and Canada have been using the worlds as for quiet some time. Developing young talent. Look at the roster the US iced last year at Worlds when they beat us 8-3.
If Crosby is available for the worlds, chances are he doesn't get the call, yet OV goes every year with mixed results a lot of the time.

But I already know how it's going to play out in Belarus this spring. We're going to recall almost the identical squad to this last Olympic one as a "redemption tournament", only to have another disappointing finish ala 2010 WCs. Just another one added to the long list of letdowns.

 

[Alessandro Seren Rosso]

But I already know how it's going to play out in Belarus this spring. We're going to recall almost the identical squad to this last Olympic one as a "redemption tournament", only to have another disappointing finish ala 2010 WCs. Just another one added to the long list of letdowns.

Yes

 

[Alessandro Seren Rosso]

Yeah, like try to create a relevant alternative in Russia

We tried. But 1) Yefimov is an incompetent commissioner and 2) it offers not enough

 

[Jussi]

Big trouble? What do you mean by that? Do you think that NHL players will play in Korea? According to NBC Sports in the United States, the decision has already been made, mainly because the calculation is that the NHL took a bath financially in these games, and nobody back in NA (other than Canada, perhaps) watched them at 6 a.m. in the morning. It would be even worse in Korea. The teams that have a lot of KHL players, like Russia and Finland, could probably expect to be dominant in 2018.

I'm sorry but I haven't seen any report of such linked here. In fact US games for men's and women's have broken records for NBC's streaming services and the same goes for hockey broadcasts (USA-Russia got 4 million on NBCSN). Besides, the time difference would actually be in their favor in Korea with hockey starting at 10 pm Eastern time.

 

[Yakushev72]

I'm sorry but I haven't seen any report of such linked here. In fact US games for men's and women's have broken records for NBC's streaming services and the same goes for hockey broadcasts (USA-Russia got 4 million on NBCSN). Besides, the time difference would actually be in their favor in Korea with hockey starting at 10 pm Eastern time.

I am taking it for granted that people who watch hockey on streams are hockey fanatics like you and I. USA-Russia was re-broadcast during prime time by the regular NBC network, which has a much larger viewer audience than MSNBC and NBCSN, which are niche cable networks that attract much smaller viewing audiences, especially at 6 a.m. Also, I am sure USA-Canada attracted a large viewing audience, but I am equally sure that the USA-Slovenia audience was limited to hockey freaks, who are a very small minority in the US. I saw a report on Dallasnews.com, the online version of the Dallas Morning News, whose thesis was that the NHL wanted to avoid Sochi for the very reasons that they are citing now - being relegated to much smaller cable networks, and broadcasting games at the crack of dawn.

Beyond that, it talked about the fact that it is much harder to get back to the regular NHL schedule after almost 3 weeks 10 time zones to the East. Then there are the injuries (Zetterberg, Tavares). All in all, the point made was that NHL executives are saying privately that they are not even considering Korea. I can't imagine that they would consider it. The collapse of Team USA will only tend to damage the brand in NA. Dallasnews said that the NHL is already decided on not going to Korea, and I believe it.

P.S. Congratulations to Team Finland for one of the most brilliant and ballsy Olympic performances of all time. The Finns were amazing. I have to wonder if Rask had been available yesterday, whether the Finns would be wearing Gold around their necks instead of Bronze by tomorrow night.

 

[Bad Goalie]

We should start by letting rest Ovechkin/Syomin/Kovalchuk/Varlamov/etc at the next WC and call instead Vasilevsky/Buchnevich/Mironov/Antipin/Karpov/Malykhin/Panarin/Prokhorkin/Burmistrov/Chudinov
But for some reasons we won't see it happening

Question. Were any of the players you suggest to carry the new look team ever drafted by the NHL? Did they play in the Canadian Jr program? Have they ever played in North America?

 

[Yakushev72]

Question. Were any of the players you suggest to carry the new look team ever drafted by the NHL? Did they play in the Canadian Jr program? Have they ever played in North America?

Burmistrov played in the NHL for Winnipeg. I think Prokhorkin may have had a brief stint in the AHL, but I could be wrong about that. The rest played in Russia only, to my knowledge.

 

[Alessandro Seren Rosso]

Question. Were any of the players you suggest to carry the new look team ever drafted by the NHL? Did they play in the Canadian Jr program? Have they ever played in North America?

Who cares

 

[Bure]

Watched the CCCP hockey documentary in Swedish posted in another thread. Wow glory days for sure, wish the NT had more time to practice together. I wish NT players would sacrifice two weeks out of their Summer to have little camps every year to build chemistry and train together for a little bit. Not going to happen but one can dream.

 

[Jussi]

I am taking it for granted that people who watch hockey on streams are hockey fanatics like you and I. USA-Russia was re-broadcast during prime time by the regular NBC network, which has a much larger viewer audience than MSNBC and NBCSN, which are niche cable networks that attract much smaller viewing audiences, especially at 6 a.m. Also, I am sure USA-Canada attracted a large viewing audience, but I am equally sure that the USA-Slovenia audience was limited to hockey freaks, who are a very small minority in the US. I saw a report on Dallasnews.com, the online version of the Dallas Morning News, whose thesis was that the NHL wanted to avoid Sochi for the very reasons that they are citing now - being relegated to much smaller cable networks, and broadcasting games at the crack of dawn.

Beyond that, it talked about the fact that it is much harder to get back to the regular NHL schedule after almost 3 weeks 10 time zones to the East. Then there are the injuries (Zetterberg, Tavares). All in all, the point made was that NHL executives are saying privately that they are not even considering Korea. I can't imagine that they would consider it. The collapse of Team USA will only tend to damage the brand in NA. Dallasnews said that the NHL is already decided on not going to Korea, and I believe it.

P.S. Congratulations to Team Finland for one of the most brilliant and ballsy Olympic performances of all time. The Finns were amazing. I have to wonder if Rask had been available yesterday, whether the Finns would be wearing Gold around their necks instead of Bronze by tomorrow night.

Finnish hockey fed boss Kalervo Kummola said it's 70% likely they will got to Korea as well. Said players want to go, owners are 50-50 at the moment.

 

[SergeiMomessov]

Anyone can loose to the hard-working Finnish team.

I don't think Russia needs drastic measures, they need to sort our their offense so they can lift their scoring to the level of "old glory days" (see: IIHF World Championship 2012).

 

[BMann]

Could they not get the most talented players into a mini league for those players alone.

Say six teams only and have them play against each other to develop chemistry with the idea that they will all push each other.

The problem is that the young players are scattered from an early age and some disappear overseas.

In an analogy Argentina for example used their youth side to build cohesion and identify a style of play from the time they are seventeen to twenty.

And while they are in these 'elite' junior teams give them the best coaching available ? This operates in other sporting disciplines Russia excelled in and still does and is growing in again like gymnastics and ice skating or chess.

If foreign coaches are needed so be it. Such as Finnish netminding specialists. Get the best in, learn from them and advance on it with adaptations for the Russian programmes of the future. It was done in the past from a non existent base to create a hockey superpower in two decades which others then copied from.

Is there a rigorous system within Russia to obtaining coaching licenses ?

Also limit foreign imports as was done with netminders and slim the league to provide adequate rest and more intense competition when games are played.

It was disheartening to see such an early exit. I have no idea why Bilyatedinov decided to tamper with Datsyuk previous association with Syomin and Ovechkin. Or have Malkin on the same line with Ovechkin.

 

[Yakushev72]

Finnish hockey fed boss Kalervo Kummola said it's 70% likely they will got to Korea as well. Said players want to go, owners are 50-50 at the moment.

Maybe I'm overthinking this, but it seems to me that there are more disincentives than carrots for continuing with NHL participation. Its one thing if it Russia, which has a lot of NHL players and is in Europe, which has more NHL players. There is no such connection with Korea. But we'll see.

Personally, I would rather see it go back to non-NHL players. That could mean the resurrection of national teams, and I'd love to see that instead of NHL players who throw together all-star teams and then come over and play totally defensive hockey to produce a lot of 1-0 games. It was really brutal in that regard at Sochi. I would love to see it, but on the other hand, this has been great for Canada (the NHL format), and if they want to put an easy Gold Medal on the board, they will probably want to stick with it.