Rumor: Drance of The Athletic Van - Mike Hoffman wants to go to team "x" but team "x" needs to move cap

[FreeMcdavid]

IIRC they got a police no contact order and a civil suit filed against them. In those circumstances, either party might be crazy so probably best to steer clear of both of them if you care that much about character.

I read the case report. It honestly reads like a Gossip Girl episode

 

[Didalee Hed]

yes I’m sure you make lots of “batter” in bed

You’re chatting with another guy about masturbation, online for all to see.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

I read the case report. It honestly reads like a Gossip Girl episode

Yes, it's a red flag on at least one of the parties (either Karlsson's wife for overreacting/lying, or Hoffman's wife for being a classless bully and wishing death on a baby). Why roll the dice on either one, especially for big money/term, if you pride your team on character?

 

[FireGorton]

The cap management has been an absolute joke. When your 3 best players are making under 12.5 million combined, 2 of them on ELCs and you've just tasted the playoffs for the first time there's just no way in hell you should be in a cap crunch. Benning's cap management is among the worst in the league if not the worst.

If the Canucks hadn't been wasting their money on junk they could have been weaponizing their cap space in the most opportune time to do so while signing great value deals like a Toffoli, Hoffman, Dandanov etc.

This is really an embarrassing spot to be in for Benning.

Not the only team like this just look at Rangers. Brendan Smith,Shattenkirk,Kreider,Trouba. Kreider and Trouba’s contracts have aged badly.

 

[FreeMcdavid]

Not the only team like this just look at Rangers. Brendan Smith,Shattenkirk,Kreider,Trouba. Kreider and Trouba’s contracts have aged badly.

This is exactly it.

There are Canuck fans who seem to think that bad contracts are only a Benning thing and nobody else in the NHL.

Benning has built this incredible young core and going 3 straight years with at least a Calder Finalist but the 3rd and the 4th liners are overpaid so fire Benning!

Miller for 20th , 71st and AHL goalie

Schmidt for 3rd rnd pick

etc...

anyways back to convo,

I think only way hoffma signs in Vancouver is if its for 1 yr and under 5mil

 

[FireGorton]

This is exactly it.

There are Canuck fans who seem to think that bad contracts are only a Benning thing and nobody else in the NHL.

Benning has built this incredible young core and going 3 straight years with at least a Calder Finalist but the 3rd and the 4th liners are overpaid so fire Benning!

Miller for 20th , 71st and AHL goalie

Schmidt for 3rd rnd pick

etc...

anyways back to convo,

I think only way hoffma signs in Vancouver is if its for 1 yr and under 5mil

I see the Nucks,Preds,Red Wings and Montreal as the contenders for his services on a one year deal.

 

[Henkka]

Hoffman was basically charged with cyber bullying and/or harassment, at least alleged of it.

Hoffman's wife.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

This is exactly it.

There are Canuck fans who seem to think that bad contracts are only a Benning thing and nobody else in the NHL.

Can you provide another GM who has committed more than $25 million cap space to depth players (bottom 6/bottom pairing dmen) and dead cap space (Baer/Eriksson/Spooner buyout - didn't include Luongo recapture since Benning didn't sign that contract) for next season? This figure doesn't even include extensions to players like Gaudette/Leivo/Fantenberg and Virtanen if they sign another top 6 winger - which would be about an additional $5-6 mill.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Hoffman's wife.

What's her last name again

 

[FreeMcdavid]

Can you provide another GM who has committed more than $25 million cap space to depth players (bottom 6/bottom pairing dmen) and dead cap space (Baer/Eriksson/Spooner buyout - didn't include Luongo recapture since Benning didn't sign that contract)? This figure doesn't even include extensions to players like Gaudette/Leivo/Fantenberg and Virtanen if they sign another top 6 winger - which would be about an additional $5-6 mill.

Listen i dont defend it, i know they are bad contracts but the Canucks were a terrible team and needed to pay extra money or 1 year extra length on contracts to get supporting cast on their youngsters.

They didnt want them to grow in a culture where they can get taken advantage or not be competitive.


They have over 30 mil of expiring contracts coming up in the next 1-2 years. This will allow them to fully sign and bring in players that will support the core during their cup window. Thats all i care about

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Listen i dont defend it, i know they are bad contracts but the Canucks were a terrible team and needed to pay extra money or 1 year extra length on contracts to get supporting cast on their youngsters.

They didnt want them to grow in a culture where they can get taken advantage or not be competitive.


They have over 30 mil of expiring contracts coming up in the next 1-2 years. This will allow them to fully sign and bring in players that will support the core during their cup window. Thats all i care about

You just posted how Canucks fans think it's only Benning giving out awful contracts. So I gave you a fact pattern to show, to some extent, it is just Benning to allow you to refute it. Booooooooo, you failed.

Vancouver didn't need to give term to older, past their prime veterans or players who hadn't proven themselves. Just don't sign them and go for smarter, smaller contracts like Richardson and Connolly (before his new contract). Vancouver is a desirable city to sign in and the team would become competitive off their high draft picks regardless of most of the UFAs signed in the earlier years.

Resorting to the tired veteran mentorpede argument, once again, booooo.

 

[Shark Finn]

Sharks.

 

[biturbo19]

Vancouver "Journalism", where "Team X" is a good scoop. Despite the fact the author could literally claim "aha!" on pretty much any team the guy signs with.

Genius faux reporting.

 

[Johnnybegood13]

Both Alberta teams could use him and both need to clear space to land him

 

[Scoresberg]

Didn't this same rumor go around with Hall and then he went on and signed with Buffalo?

I can believe that he's looking for a one-year deal but I wouldn't lock myself into thinking it's just one team he's considering anymore.

 

[Snipes45]

Man, THIS is why you gotta subscribe to The Athletic. Absolutely RIVETING content by Drance. Hoffman wants to go to X team lollll. X team has to clear space.

Journalism at it's finest.

 

[FrankMTL]

 

[letsgrowcactus]

Weird if it's Vancouver, since Benning always comments on the good character of players on the team, and "bad character" players have always failed here (Leipsic, Prust, Del Zotto). Hoffman was basically charged with cyber bullying and/or harassment, at least alleged of it.

FWIW, Hoffman seemed to do well in FLA - no controversy there whatsoever.
Obviously some concern may remain, but as long as Karlsson is not on your team, I don't think it should stop the GMs from signing him.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Not the only team like this just look at Rangers. Brendan Smith,Shattenkirk,Kreider,Trouba. Kreider and Trouba’s contracts have aged badly.

Aged badly? They just started!

 

[frederixx]

Not sure I’d pick Hoffman over Tatar... unless it’s for contractual reasons.
Sure, Hoffman is a better shooter but Tatar brings more to the table in my opinion.
I feel like some fans are letting a small 10 game sample cloud their evaluation of him this off season.

A few reasons to explain this possibility.

Tatar will become Ufa next summer and with many other free agents, could be hard to re-sign

You get a pick/prospects for him and you could sign Hoffman for free. So in reality, you trade Tatar for Hoffman and prospects

Hoffman, like him or not is one of the good goal scorer in this league but also, he's been a clutch playoffs performer (albeit short sample) while Tatar has been struggling.

So in many ways, this would be a great move from Bergevin and you improve the Habs now and future.

 

[Evergreen]

Outside chance it's the Isles...only because he isn't exactly a Lou/Trotz type player.

I doubt someone like Hoffman would want to go to the Isles and play in their system.

 

[Fatass]

I doubt someone like Hoffman would want to go to the Isles and play in their system.

In a one year “show me” contract to earn more next contract there’s no way Hoffman goes to the Islanders. But, if he gets a fair contract with term, then he will.

 

[nickdawg95]

yes I’m sure you make lots of “batter” in bed

The most suss comment

 

[Goulet17]

Listen i dont defend it, i know they are bad contracts but the Canucks were a terrible team and needed to pay extra money or 1 year extra length on contracts to get supporting cast on their youngsters.

They didnt want them to grow in a culture where they can get taken advantage or not be competitive.


They have over 30 mil of expiring contracts coming up in the next 1-2 years. This will allow them to fully sign and bring in players that will support the core during their cup window. Thats all i care about

Vancouver may actually have around $32M in some expiring contracts on depth players in one to two years, but they don't have as much flexibility as you might think. During that same period, they will presumably extend Hughes and Petterson to long term contracts. Boeser will need to be extended as well. Between those three players, Vancouver may easily use two thirds of that cap relief (expiring contracts). This doesn't even include a Demko extension and Horvat needing to be extended in the not to distant future.

The point is that you have less flexibility to spend on large, longer term UFA contracts than you might think on the surface.

I look at Colorado as a similar case. Colorado has a number of expiring contracts, but they will be spending much of that on large contract extensions on core players. They will have to let some good players on expiring players walk in the process. It stresses the importance of having cheap young depth players to fill in the gaps.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Anything to blast Karlssons twitter in the same time zone