Draisaitl @ 8.5/8yrs vrs Matthews @ 11.63/5yrs

[The Moose is Loose]

lol this is easy. Matthews is a legit star player capable of leading a team. Draisaitl is a second line centre capable of scoring 50 points without McDavid.

Easy Matthews, Draisaitl could be paid $5M or less even, and I'd still take Matthews.

You would rather have Matthews at 11.6 than Draisaitl at 5 million? Draisaitl at 5 million would be one of the most valuable assets in the league

 

[LeafsNation75]

I’m saying there are some fans on both sides who opt for attacking the opponent rather than propping up their guy.

That’s why the whole arbitrary 70 point thing comes up a lot imo. But yes, it is arbitrary

The difference is we have proof of Draisaitl scoring 51 points without McDavid on his line in the 2016 season, where as with McDavid he scored 77 points in the 2017 season.

Matthews was just unlucky that in his rookie season he finished with 69 points instead of 70.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

The difference is we have proof of Draisaitl scoring 51 points without McDavid on his line in the 2016 season, where as with McDavid he scored 77 points in the 2017 season.

Matthews was just unlucky that in his rookie season he finished with 69 points instead of 70.

As I said in the other post, a lot of that jump I attribute to player development. It’s a little unfair to compare current Draisaitl to rookie Draisaitl (yes I know he wasn’t a true rookie, but you get the point).

Matthews got unlucky. I agree. Still doesn’t mean Draisaitl has plateaued since he was 20.

Draisaitl has a chance to pot 50 goals and 100 points this year. Players don’t do that riding shotgun. He is a premier offensive player in the league. Not arguing he’s better than Matthews, but the idea he slides on in off McDavids back is simply not true.

No other takes the amount of shit Draisaitl does for playing with a star player. There are very few stars in the league who don’t play with talent.

 

[joe dirte]

As I said in the other post, a lot of that jump I attribute to player development. It’s a little unfair to compare current Draisaitl to rookie Draisaitl (yes I know he wasn’t a true rookie, but you get the point).

Matthews got unlucky. I agree. Still doesn’t mean Draisaitl has plateaued since he was 20.

Draisaitl has a chance to pot 50 goals and 100 points this year. Players don’t do that riding shotgun. He is a premier offensive player in the league. Not arguing he’s better than Matthews, but the idea he slides on in off McDavids back is simply not true.

No other takes the amount of **** Draisaitl does for playing with a star player. There are very few stars in the league who don’t play with talent.

Agreed. Jonathan Cheechoo was always one of the premier goal scorers of the league, and probably should have scored near 100 points every year of his career.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Agreed. Jonathan Cheechoo was always one of the premier goal scorers of the league, and probably should have scored near 100 points every year of his career.

Cheechoo wasn’t a 3rd OA pick that has progressed every single year and has reached his ceiling and expectations.

Cheechoo is an obvious outlier. Draisaitl still very young, already has had 2 very impressive seasons, and will likely continue having more. I really fail to see the comparison.

 

[joe dirte]

Cheechoo wasn’t a 3rd OA pick that has progressed every single year and has reached his ceiling and expectations.

Cheechoo is an obvious outlier. Draisaitl still very young, already has had 2 very impressive seasons, and will likely continue having more. I really fail to see the comparison.

Point per game olympian chris kunitz,40 goal ppg james neal, and 59 point pascal dupuis say hi.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

One last point about Draisaitl -- The spelling of his last name makes me feel like I'm making a typo every single time I write it.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Point per game olympian chris kunitz,40 goal ppg james neal, and 59 point pascal dupuis say hi.

Alright? Do you honestly believe Draisaitl will fall into that group?

He’s 23 and this will be his 3rd straight 70+ point season, and he could very well smash every career high he’s set up to this point.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

One last point about Draisaitl -- The spelling of his last name makes me feel like I'm making a typo every single time I write it.

That makes much more sense than I thought it would.

 

[joe dirte]

Alright? Do you honestly believe Draisaitl will fall into that group?

He’s 23 and this will be his 3rd straight 70+ point season, and he could very well smash every career high he’s set up to this point.

Will he? He IS right now until proven otherwise.

 

[XXIV97]

What's his PPG without McDavid? haha

What's Matthews PPG without Reilly, Nylander and Marner

Hahahaha

 

[XXIV97]

yeah, maybe Draisaitl will make the Hall of Fame. they have the player category, the builder category, and they can induct him in the new compiler category.

So you are saying he is a future HOF candidate

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Will he? He IS right now until proven otherwise.

He has proven otherwise with 3 straight seasons...

 

[joe dirte]

So you are saying he is a future HOF candidate

If they start a compiler category?

 

[joe dirte]

He has proven otherwise with 3 straight seasons...

How so? The group i listed had seasons (some multiple) where their production was boosted in a major way, just like cheechoo did. And just like draisaitl does.

His scoring rate without mcdavid at even strength is almost exatly that of nylanders right now, this season. And thats with nylander scoring 2 points in his first 17 games or whatever. Hes tied for 205th with shea weber. Yeah. Dman shea weber. Or ilya kovalchuk.

His advanced stats show that he actually drags the oilers down without mcdavid. Thats correct, the other oilers actually fare better without draisaitl than with him. Unless of course mcdavid is stapled to his side.

Of all the players hitchcock could point out as a problem, why do you think the person he is pointing his finger at is draisaitl?

 

[LeafsNation75]

One last point about Draisaitl -- The spelling of his last name makes me feel like I'm making a typo every single time I write it.

I just Google his last name, than I copy and paste it when I write it on here. Maybe it's something you should do in the future.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

How so? The group i listed had seasons (some multiple) where their production was boosted in a major way, just like cheechoo did. And just like draisaitl does.

His scoring rate without mcdavid at even strength is almost exatly that of nylanders right now, this season. And thats with nylander scoring 2 points in his first 17 games or whatever. Hes tied for 205th with shea weber. Yeah. Dman shea weber. Or ilya kovalchuk.

His advanced stats show that he actually drags the oilers down without mcdavid. Thats correct, the other oilers actually fare better without draisaitl than with him. Unless of course mcdavid is stapled to his side.

Of all the players hitchcock could point out as a problem, why do you think the person he is pointing his finger at is draisaitl?

So the Oilers would be better off without Draisaitl?

 

[joe dirte]

So the Oilers would be better off without Draisaitl?

Thats actually what the stats say. Yep. Depending on how much you believe in advanced stats.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Thats actually what the stats say. Yep. Depending on how much you believe in advanced stats.

I do not believe in advanced stats to the point where subtracting an all-star player would be productive.
I suggest you do the same.

 

[joe dirte]

I do not believe in advanced stats to the point where subtracting an all-star player would be productive.
I suggest you do the same.

Correction -an all star player beside mcdavid.

His production is that of a third liner without mcdavid and he isnt very good in his own zone (ask his coach).

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

What's Matthews PPG without Reilly, Nylander and Marner

Hahahaha

Well I believe his two most common linemates this year are Kapanen and Johnsson? So far he's outproducing Draisaitl's ELC year by 30%, when he played 63.75% of his time with McDavid.

 

[joe dirte]

What's Matthews PPG without Reilly, Nylander and Marner

Hahahaha

I have no idea. How would you even find that out?

 

[Stephen]

Well, the Leafs are good and the Oilers need to rebuild, so there's your answer.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

What's Matthews PPG without Reilly, Nylander and Marner

Hahahaha

You really want to go there...he hasn’t played 3/4 of the season with any of those guys. I don’t wish injury on anyone but if McDavid went down for a few weeks I would love to see how he would do.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Well, the Leafs are good and the Oilers need to rebuild, so there's your answer.

Rebuild again? What’s the last 8 years been haha