Drai vs MacK vs Kuch (if Kuch wins the Cup+Conn Smythe)
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jetsforever
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MacK, Kuch, Drai regardless of whether or not he wins the Conn Smythe
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Kucherov is easily the most overrated elite player in the league
dude is the product of insane insulation, powerplay time, and stacked rosters
Kucherov cant even think up a way to dominate a game single-handidly like Draisaitl and MacKinnon can. dude is 100% dependent on teammates for production
dude is the product of insane insulation, powerplay time, and stacked rosters
Kucherov cant even think up a way to dominate a game single-handidly like Draisaitl and MacKinnon can. dude is 100% dependent on teammates for production
Mackinnon never won anything neither individually nor with his team.
Drai won individual hardware: Ted Lindsay, Hart Trophy & Art Ross.
Kuch won both individual & team trophies: Stanley Cup, Ted Lindsay, Hart Trophy & Art Ross.
Drai won individual hardware: Ted Lindsay, Hart Trophy & Art Ross.
Kuch won both individual & team trophies: Stanley Cup, Ted Lindsay, Hart Trophy & Art Ross.
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Kucherov has always been better than them, this playoff run doesn't change anything.
Drai vs MacK. Drai has the best season between them and also has better goal and pt finishes. MacK has better hart finishes (yes I know Drai has won the Hart, but outside of that he hasn't sniffed it while MacK is a 3x finalist) and has been better in the playoffs. MacK doesn't have the luxury of being sheltered behind McDavid though.
Kucherov > MacK >= Drai
Drai vs MacK. Drai has the best season between them and also has better goal and pt finishes. MacK has better hart finishes (yes I know Drai has won the Hart, but outside of that he hasn't sniffed it while MacK is a 3x finalist) and has been better in the playoffs. MacK doesn't have the luxury of being sheltered behind McDavid though.
Kucherov > MacK >= Drai
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Another prime example of recency bias. Switch their teams and Kucherov would be coming last in this poll
They are the 2-4 best players in the league
They are the 2-4 best players in the league
So Hedman, Point, Stamkos, Rantanen, Makar, and MacKinnon are all overrated because of who they play for?
I mean without Kucherov this season, TB finished tied for 8TH in the league with Minnesota (of all teams), were 3rd in their division behind CAR and FLA. How do you explain that? NOW look at them when he's in the lineup. They are suddenly the Cup favourites!
Does that not prove something?
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I think people don't rank Kucherov that high on most lists I've seen because he missed the entire season and is a little forgotten but if he wins another Cup and the Conn Smythe to go with his Hart, Lindsay and Art Ross then he has to go above the other two. And while I understand he plays on a stacked team his playoff stats are elite and Mack also plays on a stacked team but has yet to have the same playoff success. That said, I think the rankings will move around a bit every year.
Edit: Just checked the playoff stats. Kucherov has 23 points. The next closest is Point at 15. So Kuch has more than 50% more points than the next closest guy. Stacked team or not, this is currently one of the most impressive Conn Smythe runs we’ve seen.
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I think people don't rank Kucherov that high on most lists I've seen because he missed the entire season and is a little forgotten but if he wins another Cup and the Conn Smythe to go with his Hart, Lindsay and Art Ross then he has to go above the other two. And while I understand he plays on a stacked team his playoff stats are elite and Mack also plays on a stacked team but has yet to have the same playoff success. That said, I think the rankings will move around a bit every year.
Edit: Just checked the playoff stats. Kucherov has 23 points. The next closest is Point at 15. So Kuch has more than 50% more points than the next closest guy. Stacked team or not, this is currently one of the most impressive Conn Smythe runs we’ve seen.
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Kucherov always has been better than both of them. But because this is hfboard of course a lot of people will put Mac above him due to position, and good ol' Canadian boy argument. Mac hasn't done anything in regular season nor in playoffs to be above Kucherov as a player. Same as Drai.
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TheGoldenJet
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Those aren't really quality individual trophies + President's Trophy is a team achievement.
Have you ever seen Crosby or Ovi fans ever mentioning or counting President's Trophy?
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All the time.... It was a sarcastic comment, tho
But being a Hart finalist 2 years in a row has meaning. No one thinks Taylor Hall belongs in this conversation because he won a Hart 3 seasons ago.
TB were tied for 8th in the league without Kuch this season. So it's not as if he doesn't make a difference.
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MacK is a product of the stacked team behind him.
am I doing it right?
am I doing it right?
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Oh please. Drai spent half of this season attached to McDavid. The half that he didn't, he was sheltered behind McDavid getting to feast on cupcake matchups. Not to mention he has McDavid the whole season on the PP. Being attached to McDavid is going to boost stats more than anything.
I mean all 3 are boosted by their respective linemates and teams. Pretty much cancels out the way I see it.
Kuch has Point and Hedman, Stamkos on the PP
Drai has McDavid mostly only on the PP (and Barrie I guess)
MacK has Rantanen and Makar, Landeskog on the PP
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In what world is Draisaitl being the one boosted here?
Hedman, Stamkos, Point > Rantanen Makar > McDavid
