From the ArticleThe Iconoclast said:That's actually how I read it. All teams would start with one ball (ouch) and then a ball would be added for each year you missed the playoffs in the past three. So Toronto would get one ball, Tampa would get two, Calgary would get three and the Rangers would get four. I think it is more than fair IMO and should make everyone happy.
With the IIHF World Championships over, hockey is over for NHL players this year. Next up, before they play again, is the draft. If the NHL people are right, they're going to play bingo.
NHL hockey people here are convinced Bettman will convince the board of governors to adopt a system for the draft that will be based on how teams finished over the course of the last three years.
The concept features a relatively simple system involving bingo balls and whether or not your team has been making or missing the playoffs lately.
If you've missed the playoffs three times in the last three years, you get three balls in the bingo machine. That's Columbus, Buffalo, Atlanta, Florida, Pittsburgh and the New York Rangers.
TWO BALLS
If you've missed the playoffs twice, you get two balls. That's Edmonton, Calgary, Carolina, Chicago, Nashville, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Washington, Minnesota and Anaheim.
Everybody else gets one ball.
Total: 52 balls. Your number rolls out first and ... BINGO! Crosby is yours.
The Messenger said:From the Article
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/EdmontonSun/Sports/2005/05/18/1044803-sun.html
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Do people even read the articles or is it just the comprehension part that does posters in ??
Are you still fighting this as well, questioning the credibility ??Jaded-Fan said:As I said above, if the article has some basis, it is unclear if that is what the NHL officials who are saying this have actually said, or the interpretation of the concept by the writer of the article in a different way than some of those above have interpreted the concept. But you are right, also as I pointed out above, that is not how the article details the proposal.
The Messenger said:Are you still fighting this as well, questioning the credibility ??
Its a weighted lottery and you have been pushing that concept from months based on the biggest losers, and as a result your Pens are among the teams with the best odds ..
Bettman is a simple man and needs a simple system.
Now what's the problem ??
The Messenger said:Bettman is a simple man and needs a simple system.
WC Handy said:DISCLAIMER: 'My Team' made it the playoffs the last 3 years.
I hate the idea. The elite teams in the league should have no shot at Crosby. At best, it should be reserved for the 10 teams that averaged the fewest points over the last 5 years.
The Messenger said:Bettman is a simple man and needs a simple system.
DARKSIDE said:Is this idea only regarding the number one pick, or draft positioning for the entire first round?
gc2005 said:Problem is, no one knows who the elite teams are. Formerly elite teams will be gutted with UFA's and a salary cap, plus retirements. Nobody knows if Colorado, Detroit, and especially Toronto will still be good when the league starts up again.
Why should the worst 10 teams get a chance but the 11th worst team get zero chance? IMO, you can't cut it off at any point. Every team should have some chance at getting Crosby, even if the chance is lowered by how good you've been. It's only fair.
gc2005 said:Problem is, no one knows who the elite teams are. Formerly elite teams will be gutted with UFA's and a salary cap, plus retirements. Nobody knows if Colorado, Detroit, and especially Toronto will still be good when the league starts up again.
Why should the worst 10 teams get a chance but the 11th worst team get zero chance? IMO, you can't cut it off at any point. Every team should have some chance at getting Crosby, even if the chance is lowered by how good you've been. It's only fair.
The Messenger said:Bettman is a simple man and needs a simple system.
Now what's the problem ??
gc2005 said:Problem is, no one knows who the elite teams are. Formerly elite teams will be gutted with UFA's and a salary cap, plus retirements. Nobody knows if Colorado, Detroit, and especially Toronto will still be good when the league starts up again.
Why should the worst 10 teams get a chance but the 11th worst team get zero chance? IMO, you can't cut it off at any point. Every team should have some chance at getting Crosby, even if the chance is lowered by how good you've been. It's only fair.
go kim johnsson said:According to Bettman's plan, this is how many balls the lottery would work with:
3 balls:
NY Rangers
Pittsburgh
Buffalo
Florida
Atlanta
Columbus
2 balls:
Carolina
Washington
Phoenix
Los Angeles
Anaheim
Edmonton
Calgary
Minnesota
Chicago
Nashville
1 ball (teams who missed the playoffs once):
Montreal
Tampa Bay
San Jose
Dallas
1 ball (teams who made the playoffs all 3 years):
Philadelphia
NY Islanders
New Jersey
Boston
Toronto
Ottawa
Colorado
Vancouver
Detroit
St. Louis
WC Handy said:The draft has never been determined by how good a team will be next year.
WC Handy said:Every team should not get a chance at Crosby and anyone who thinks so only does for selfish reasons.
Jaded-Fan said:Name me 3 teams that are likely to even lose 2 players under the various proposed systems, especially with a 24% rollback. I love seeing some posters, and this is not aimed at you but what I have seen generally, argue in posts like this how gutted their team is going to be and then in other threads argue how their teams not only will not be gutted but talking about which star players they will be adding to already loaded teams. The hypocracy of holding those two thoughts in one head boggles my mind.
gc2005 said:If they expect to keep everyone, including pending UFA's:
1) Toronto
2) Detroit
3) Colorado (if Forsberg comes back)
What was the last proposal, a $32 million cap? Somewhere in that range? Maybe no rollback at all. After Belfour ($8 million when you include signing bonus) and Sundin ($9 million) Nolan ($6 million) and McCabe ($5 million) you can't possibly think they're in good shape to keep everyone. Even with a 24% rollback. Even if they do manage to keep everyone there's no possible way anyone but Leaf fans would think they're going to contend with their current lineup.
If nothing else, these teams will be completely out of the UFA market. Boston and Washington both gone from decent team, high payroll to the basement in recent years. Who's to say it wouldn't happen to one of Detroit, Toronto, or Colorado?
Any team with Sundin, Nolan, McCabe and Belfour isn't going to suck. Once they are gone the Leafs will be in as good cap shape as any team.gc2005 said:If they expect to keep everyone, including pending UFA's:
1) Toronto
2) Detroit
3) Colorado (if Forsberg comes back)
What was the last proposal, a $32 million cap? Somewhere in that range? Maybe no rollback at all. After Belfour ($8 million when you include signing bonus) and Sundin ($9 million) Nolan ($6 million) and McCabe ($5 million) you can't possibly think they're in good shape to keep everyone. Even with a 24% rollback. Even if they do manage to keep everyone there's no possible way anyone but Leaf fans would think they're going to contend with their current lineup.
MePutPuckInNet said:Personally, I question the "three years". Why just three? That doesn't seem to represent a hell of a lot, in my opinion.
I think it should be based on a longer length of time, at least five years - anybody feel like doing the crunching to see how the odds would differ? [Sorry, I'm a thinker, not a doer].
The Article includes Bettman address :Thunderstruck said:Bettman would chew you up and spit you out in less time than it takes you to post one off your illogical rants.
Intellectually speaking, you couldn't even hold his clipboard.
Maybe you have a better idea. Send it to :
G. Bettman
c/o National Hockey League
251 Avenue of the Americas
New York, New York, 10020