Dougie Hamilton vs Colton Parayko (Top 31 defensemen - #19)

[Machinehead]

Tiebreaker!

Also a couple of announcements

-Somebody suggested a 4 or 5 man runoff because poll 19 was a cluster****, but after consideration, I thought that would be too messy. These two guys had a clear enough lead. However, due to the close nature of poll #19, I have decided that the loser of this poll will NOT be awarded spot #20.

-Somebody also suggested a deadline extension to two days. I started this series when I was on vacation, and now that I'm working again, it's not as easy to make one every day, so 48 hour voting will take effect. However, if somebody is really running away with it, we will just move on early.

As always, pick the best player.

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[Machinehead]

I'm having a hard time with this one, myself.

 

[Stopsight]

Calgary isn't a very good team for having 3 defenseman in the top 20

 

[Wayne Primeau]

Hamilton. 50 points while forming arguably the best pairing in the game with Giordano.

 

[lakai17]

Colton

 

[FerklundCGY]

What argument is there for Parayko over Hamilton?

Hamilton is quite a bit better offensively, a possession monster (although Parayko is really good possession wise as well) and was one half of the best defensive pairing in the NHL last season alongside Giordano

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

What argument is there for Parayko over Hamilton?

Hamilton is quite a bit better offensively, a possession monster (although Parayko is really good possession wise as well) and was one half of the best defensive pairing in the NHL last season alongside Giordano

lol

Colton...dude is huge, can create offense and has a physical presence out there that Hamilton simply doesn't have

 

[DJJones]

lol

Colton...dude is huge, can create offense and has a physical presence out there that Hamilton simply doesn't have

Why are you laughing at that? Statistically it wasn't even close.

http://www.tsn.ca/hamilton-and-giordano-are-the-best-pairing-in-hockey-1.704373

I don't think either are top 20 right now, within two or three years though I expect they'll both be considered solid #1s. If not top 10-15

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Why are you laughing at that? Statistically it wasn't even close.

http://www.tsn.ca/hamilton-and-giordano-are-the-best-pairing-in-hockey-1.704373

I don't think either are top 20 right now, within two or three years though I expect they'll both be considered solid #1s. If not top 10-15

Well luckily, there's more to hockey than raw statistics..Yost was the same guy who called the Hall for Larson deal one of the worst trades in history lol
And the previous poster called them the best paring in the NHL...not even close
And in 2 or 3 years Giordano will be 35 or 36...well past his prime to be considered "top pairing"

 

[major major]

What argument is there for Parayko over Hamilton?

Hamilton is quite a bit better offensively, a possession monster (although Parayko is really good possession wise as well) and was one half of the best defensive pairing in the NHL last season alongside Giordano

I'm pretty sure Hamilton wasn't quite one half of it, hehe.

The argument I'd make is that Parayko is complete. I don't think he is missing anything. You can use him in any situation and he covers enough ice that he doesn't need a great D to pair with him. That's not to say Hamilton needs Giordano, but Hamilton's not the best bet for every job. If I remember correctly, Parayko's 5v5 scoring rate is close to Hamilton level - and I wonder if being behind Pietro has limited some of Parayko's offensive opportunities.

I'd rather have Parayko in any role other than offensive specialist.

 

[DJJones]

Well luckily, there's more to hockey than raw statistics..Yost was the same guy who called the Hall for Larson deal one of the worst trades in history lol
And the previous poster called them the best paring in the NHL...not even close
And in 2 or 3 years Giordano will be 35 or 36...well past his prime to be considered "top pairing"

I was talking about Parayko.

Giordano already is top 10-15.

And alright then, guess scoring more goals than you let in while playing against top competition isn't what hockey is about haha.

Edit; Is this guy anti-oilers too? Or is this one legit?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/canadian-nhl-team-best-defence-pairing/

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I was talking about Parayko.

Giordano already is top 10-15.

And alright then, guess scoring more goals than you let in while playing against top competition isn't what hockey is about haha.

Giordano but not Hamilton yet IMO
I simply like the physical dimension the Parayko brings more than I like Hamilton
Parayko can play in any situation and play the game any way you want (big and nasty or a skill and speed game)

 

[DJJones]

Giordano but not Hamilton yet IMO
I simply like the physical dimension the Parayko brings more than I like Hamilton
Parayko can play in any situation and play the game any way to wants (big and nasty or a skill and speed game)

Ya whatever, as I said I don't think Hamilton or Parayko are top 20 yet. In two or three years they'll both be the cream of the crop. Both way too good not to be with a bit more experience. Big guys always seem to take a few years more. Gangly messes haha.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Edit; Is this guy anti-oilers too? Or is this one legit?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/canadian-nhl-team-best-defence-pairing/

This guy is talking about Canadian teams only..not the entire league (although I take Karlsson and a potato over any pairing on any Canadian team)
Curious how both of these articles were written in late March, just after the Flames went on a 10 game win streak...

 

[Redline]

Not sure for how much longer but Hamilton right now.

 

[Maukkis]

So, you're telling me that Hamilton is a top 20 defenseman, and people are also saying how players of today are better than they have ever been?

A guy who wasn't trusted to play 20 minutes a night is not a defenseman who should be in this discussion, period.

 

[Ace of Hades]

Parayko.

 

[tony d]

Dougie Hamilton.

 

[Fugazy]

Dougie is the better defenseman.

 

[avatar1998*]

Yost was the same guy who called the Hall for Larson deal one of the worst trades in history lol

Don't see how Yost was too far off. The only redeeming quality of that trade was that it filled a hole for the Oilers. You don't trade a #1 LW for a #4 defenceman even to fill a hole however. The value was so far off.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Don't see how Yost was too far off. The only redeeming quality of that trade was that it filled a hole for the Oilers. You don't trade a #1 LW for a #4 defenceman even to fill a hole however. The value was so far off.

He's not a #4 defenseman though, he's a solid #2 defenseman that plays the tough minutes

 

[Reinhart]

Highlight packages can make anyone look like a superstar, but it does seem that people are relatively uninformed about Hamilton regarding where his game is at. He is really good.


With that being said, Parayko is damn good too. I give the edge to Hamilton for now with his experience and production, and given that his defensive game is actually really strong.

Parayko may surpass Hamilton, but I don't think he has (and may never - Hamilton is still young and developing as well). Both high-end young defencemen with #1 upside.

 

[Mobiandi]

It's Parayko imo. Dougie isn't there yet

 

[Haatley]

How is this a thread about the terrible defencemen on the Oilers?I don't see one Oiler player listed in this poll.

 

[Jejune]

How is this a thread about the terrible defencemen on the Oilers?I don't see one Oiler player listed in this poll.

Easy there sparky, only reason Larsson was brought up was to support the idea that Yost isn't exactly the most omniscient source when it comes to evaluating hockey talent, at which point your fellow Flames fan took the opportunity to bash Larsson, which was mostly ignored. I realize there have been a few off-the-rails threads lately, but this one still seems to be going in the right direction.

In regards to the poll, I agree with Parayko (barely) over Hamilton. The points aren't enough to sway my strong preference for Parayko's defending over Hamilton's.