Management Don Sweeney II - All Sweeney Talk Here

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Chiarelli took over a 74 pt team made of post lockout FA frenzy leftovers and had them lifting a Cup in 5 years.

Sweeney, for all the bad Chiarelli did, took over a 95 pt team needing some fresh blood/tweaks.

The natural development of players like Lucic, Marchand, and Bergeron was a major reason the Bruins improved. As well as the additions of Chara/Savard.

 

[ODAAT]

If Sweeney doesn`t go out and get Reaves, Simmonds, Kassian, Lucic, Cody McLeod, Josh Anderson then he`s just a sit on your hands, no good son of a GM to this fan

 

[KrejciMVP]

different standards for different GM's.

 

[bp13]

Bergy and Krejci are both going to be 33 in these coming playoffs. I'm surprised you guys are so worried given the wealth of centres that have been groomed to follow them.

said nobody, ever.

Next 3 years are the window, period. With Chara's age you might make a case for next 2 years. If you think there's no plan, it's because there is indeed no plan. David Backes is/was a failed go for it move. Same with Nash. They've been telegraphing "go for it" for a while now.

If this is indeed a top 5 prospect pool, you have to use some of it to win now.

So I disagree here.

They signed Backes and then traded for Nash at the deadline. Hardly huge acquisitions, but yeah, those two moves had a "go for it" feel. However, I don't see anything else that telegraphs "go for it". Sitting on his hands through each season? Inserting tons of rookies, some of which don't belong here yet, and keeping literally ALL of them in the organization through today? Coming into the season with no #3 center, no second line winger for Krejci and simply leaving it as is hoping rookies and 3rd/4th line talents can fill the holes? I see all of these moves as a combination of trying to instill youth, which I love, and making sh1t up as he goes along, which I don't love. Mix in either management apathy or failure to close. But whatever we want to blame it on, it certainly doesn't tell me they're trying to go for it.

If I had to label the strategy, I'd call it Sinden 101. Be good enough to keep asses in the seats but don't give up anything of value that might put the future of "being good enough to keep asses in the seats" at risk.

Go Slightly Better Than Mediocre or Go Home!

 

[ODAAT]

So I disagree here.

They signed Backes and then traded for Nash at the deadline. Hardly huge acquisitions, but yeah, those two moves had a "go for it" feel. However, I don't see anything else that telegraphs "go for it". Sitting on his hands through each season? Inserting tons of rookies, some of which don't belong here yet, and keeping literally ALL of them in the organization through today? Coming into the season with no #3 center, no second line winger for Krejci and simply leaving it as is hoping rookies and 3rd/4th line talents can fill the holes? I see all of these moves as a combination of trying to instill youth, which I love, and making sh1t up as he goes along, which I don't love. Mix in either management apathy or failure to close. But whatever we want to blame it on, it certainly doesn't tell me they're trying to go for it.

If I had to label the strategy, I'd call it Sinden 101. Be good enough to keep asses in the seats but don't give up anything of value that might put the future of "being good enough to keep asses in the seats" at risk.

Go Slightly Better Than Mediocre or Go Home!

kind of my motto at work

 

[LouJersey]

Yes and Chiarelli was on the decline by then. 2011 was his high point.

losing the cup two years after winning it is still better off then winning 1 round in three seasons, no?

Chia had a terrible hire in Lewis. He gave away the 2012 season by not going in fully. His demise was the summer of 13 on.

 

[LouJersey]

It all started after that, July 4th to be exact.

Exactly what I'm saying, but losing the Cup is still pretty good

 

[KrejciMVP]

not sure a Presidents trophy 1 year after a cup final is a huge decline or missing the playoffs by a point being told he wasn't allowed to make moves and drafting Pastrnak is either. Fans just got sick of him and Claude and wanted something new I guess. What we have now is way worse as we sit in a Wild card spot and little playoff success and huge holes up and down the roster since Chia left.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Chiarelli should have been fired the day after he traded Seguin. I don’t understand why some fans forget about his later years when talking about him. He had to go and he’s been terrible for Edmonton, time to move on.

 

[TCB]

Exactly what I'm saying, but losing the Cup is still pretty good

Chia was good really good up till then. Ill give him that, if anything lead to his demise in Boston other than the Seguin deal was his loyalty to his players and the contracts he handed out to them which eventually would put the Bruins in cap hell.

 

[LouJersey]

Chia was good really good up till then. Ill give him that, if anything lead to his demise in Boston other than the Seguin deal was his loyalty to his players and the contracts he handed out to them which eventually would put the Bruins in cap hell.

I still look at a lot of his teams as underachieving. I know I'm in the minority there.

 

[KrejciMVP]

Chiarelli should have been fired the day after he traded Seguin. I don’t understand why some fans forget about his later years when talking about him. He had to go and he’s been terrible for Edmonton, time to move on.

many in on that move

'Behind the B': Seguin had to go

It also was obvious during the episode that the Bruins hockey operations staff believed there were “too many red flags” concerning forward Tyler Seguin and all agreed it was time to trade him.
At one point, assistant GM Jim Benning said, “We’re not babysitters.” He then added if Seguin gave the Bruins half of what the Blackhawks’ Patrick Kane gave Chicago, Boston would have won the Stanley Cup.
The thought of trading Seguin, the organization’s No. 2 overall pick in 2010, was compared to the Bruins trading former goalie Andrew Raycroft to the Toronto Maple Leafs for Tuukka Rask, and the Phil Kessel trade to the Maple Leafs for a pair of first-round picks that turned into Seguin and defenseman Dougie Hamilton.
Chiarelli, his staff and Bruins president Cam Neely concluded that Seguin did not fit into the team’s culture and decided to trade him for the right price.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

not sure a Presidents trophy 1 year after a cup final is a huge decline or missing the playoffs by a point being told he wasn't allowed to make moves and drafting Pastrnak is either. Fans just got sick of him and Claude and wanted something new I guess. What we have now is way worse as we sit in a Wild card spot and little playoff success and huge holes up and down the roster since Chia left.

my biggest issue is the team has no identity.

there is no 1 thing they hang their hat on as the thing they do better than anyone else in the league.

they're stuck in that same not great in 1 area but not terrible in 1 either purgatory that most of the league is in. They have some skill, but no depth. Some toughness but no real snarl. They have become the 2008-2014 Habs. No identity, no toughness, enough speed/skill to make the playoffs.

It all makes for a frustrating and completely boring product to watch

 

[Mainehockey33]

many in on that move

'Behind the B': Seguin had to go

It also was obvious during the episode that the Bruins hockey operations staff believed there were “too many red flags” concerning forward Tyler Seguin and all agreed it was time to trade him.
At one point, assistant GM Jim Benning said, “We’re not babysitters.” He then added if Seguin gave the Bruins half of what the Blackhawks’ Patrick Kane gave Chicago, Boston would have won the Stanley Cup.
The thought of trading Seguin, the organization’s No. 2 overall pick in 2010, was compared to the Bruins trading former goalie Andrew Raycroft to the Toronto Maple Leafs for Tuukka Rask, and the Phil Kessel trade to the Maple Leafs for a pair of first-round picks that turned into Seguin and defenseman Dougie Hamilton.
Chiarelli, his staff and Bruins president Cam Neely concluded that Seguin did not fit into the team’s culture and decided to trade him for the right price.

I don’t think that’s a good enough excuse, he was the GM and got a shit return. The Boychuk trade was also terrible. What has he done for Edmonton that makes you wish he was still with the Bruins?

 

[KrejciMVP]

I don’t think that’s a good enough excuse, he was the GM and got a **** return. The Boychuk trade was also terrible. What has he done for Edmonton that makes you wish he was still with the Bruins?

The return wasn't great but this wasn't a hockey trade, they felt forced to ditch him bc of his attitude and behavior which went over badly in the locker room and maybe felt enabling him sent a bad message to the rest of the team. Also were just coming off an emotional playoff loss where Seguin didnt do well. Boychuk was a cap casualty yes, but he's on the books for 6 mill a year for 4 more years and I don't think we'd want that contract now

 

[chizzler]

my biggest issue is the team has no identity.

there is no 1 thing they hang their hat on as the thing they do better than anyone else in the league.

they're stuck in that same not great in 1 area but not terrible in 1 either purgatory that most of the league is in. They have some skill, but no depth. Some toughness but no real snarl. They have become the 2008-2014 Habs. No identity, no toughness, enough speed/skill to make the playoffs.

It all makes for a frustrating and completely boring product to watch

That’s what happens when teams peak. There is a time when they have to either retool or rebuild. Chicago is going through it. I wouldn’t go crazy trying to get to the Stanley Cup, because in my opinion, there is no way we beat Washington. This team got lucky last year. They weren’t supposed to be that good. It’s throwing people’s expectations way off.

 

[Mainehockey33]

The return wasn't great but this wasn't a hockey trade, they felt forced to ditch him bc of his attitude and behavior which went over badly in the locker room and maybe felt enabling him sent a bad message to the rest of the team. Also were just coming off an emotional playoff loss where Seguin didnt do well.

It was the worst trade I’ve ever seen, I don’t care what the excuse was. Trading Boychuk when he did was stupid. Giving guys NTC so it looked like he wasn’t forced to trade Boychuk was also stupid. This guy was a disaster and right now Edmonton fans hate him, he’s done nothing for them.

You really want a guy that traded Hall for Larsson around Pastrnak? Give him credit for Pastrnak because that’s pretty much his only successful draft pick. Remember those great defenseman he drafted? Me neither.

 

[KrejciMVP]

That’s what happens when teams peak. There is a time when they have to either retool or rebuild. Chicago is going through it. I wouldn’t go crazy trying to get to the Stanley Cup, because in my opinion, there is no way we beat Washington. This team got lucky last year. They weren’t supposed to be that good. It’s throwing people’s expectations way off.

lots of GM's could build a supporting cast for Bergy Krejci Pastrnak Marchand and Chara. You already have the pieces which don't require a full rebuild. Just need to build a D and bottom 9 forwards

 

[KrejciMVP]

It was the worst trade I’ve ever seen, I don’t care what the excuse was. Trading Boychuk when he did was stupid. Giving guys NTC so it looked like he wasn’t forced to trade Boychuk was also stupid. This guy was a disaster and right now Edmonton fans hate him, he’s done nothing for them.

You really want a guy that traded Hall for Larsson around Pastrnak? Give him credit for Pastrnak because that’s pretty much his only successful draft pick. Remember those great defenseman he drafted? Me neither.

Loui wasn't a bad player and Smith did help his team to a cup final last year. I'd rather that then Backes and Jimmy Hayes who essentially replaced them compliments of Don Sweeney. They also got little in return from the Lucic and Hamilton trades by missing so big in the 15 draft

 

[Mainehockey33]

Loui wasn't a bad player and Smith did help his team to a cup final last year. I'd rather that then Backes and Jimmy Hayes who essentially replaced them

Again, what has he done in Edmonton that makes you miss him?

 

[KrejciMVP]

Again, what has he done in Edmonton that makes you miss him?

a game 7 western coference finals wasn't horrible after all those years busting on #1 picks

 

[chizzler]

lots of GM's could build a supporting cast for Bergy Krejci Pastrnak Marchand and Chara. You already have the pieces which don't require a full rebuild. Just need to build a D and bottom 9 forwards

Their D is fine. I’ll even go far as to say it might be better with Chara out. That’s up for debate though. Sure the bottom is not chipping in. If look at all the trades that were Mande this year, which one was a great trade. None. Just teams trading bottom of the line players. Nobody has made a splash.

 

[Mainehockey33]

a game 7 western coference finals wasn't horrible after all those years busting on #1 picks

They lost in the second round...

 

[Rubber Biscuit]

a game 7 western coference finals wasn't horrible after all those years busting on #1 picks

He hasn’t taken them to the conference final. They lost in the second round once and haven’t made the playoffs otherwise

 

[KrejciMVP]

They lost in the second round...

my mistake