Post-Game Talk (GBU): Don’t care

[1972]

Man, that's REALLY pessimistic to compare Buffalo unfavorably to the very team that dropped a 1st rd with three straight picks into the porta-potty.

They’ve still hit a lot. We haven’t had a pick like Pastrnak or McAvoy since I’ve been a fan.

 

[Fezzy126]

TL;DR Don't draft high-floor, low-ceiling guys over those with big upsides. Asplund and Davidsson will play in the NHL, but man would it be nice if DeBrincat and/or Jason Robertson were in the organization right about now.

To be fair, that's exactly what the 2013-15 drafts were supposed to be, it is exactly how we described guys like Hurley, Bailey, Possler, Cornel, Karabacek, Martin, Guhle, Stephens, Estephan, etc.

I get where you're coming from though, the Samuelsson & Davidsson picks do seem safer though

 

[sabremike]

Man, that's REALLY pessimistic to compare Buffalo unfavorably to the very team that dropped a 1st rd with three straight picks into the porta-potty.

The team it feels like hasn't had a bad season in well over a decade?

 

[sabremike]

To be fair, that's exactly what the 2013-15 drafts were supposed to be, it is exactly how we described guys like Hurley, Bailey, Possler, Cornel, Karabacek, Martin, Guhle, Stephens, Estephan, etc.

I get where you're coming from though, the Samuelsson & Davidsson picks do seem safer though

You have no idea just how terrified I am that passing on Bode Wilde for Samuelsson ends up being a colossal mistake.

 

[debaser66]

Lets see who you scratch next game Phil.
Accountability just seem to concern young players.

 

[SundherDome]

Hopefully Botts was in the press box slamming doors...

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

They’ve still hit a lot. We haven’t had a pick like Pastrnak or McAvoy since I’ve been a fan.

Why you have to mention McAvoy? About any GM takes him, Chychrun, or Sergachev while they were sitting there on a silver platter...but we take Nylander... I still get the shakes any time someone says their names...thanks a lot!

 

[Zman5778]

Why you have to mention McAvoy? About any GM takes him, Chychrun, or Sergachev while they were sitting there on a silver platter...but we take Nylander... I still get the shakes any time someone says their names...thanks a lot!

Yeah. That's the one that sticks in my craw more than anything. If we hadn't gotten Dahlin, that mistake would look even more massive than it is.

 

[Aladyyn]

Why you have to mention McAvoy? About any GM takes him, Chychrun, or Sergachev while they were sitting there on a silver platter...but we take Nylander... I still get the shakes any time someone says their names...thanks a lot!

Ah yes, any GM takes Chychrun. That's why he went 16th...

 

[Aladyyn]

Yeah, any GM takes one of the three, as I said...but go ahead and act like Chychrun isn't on 150 NHL games while Nylander has maybe 10. Arguing to argue, like normal...

At this point we need Nylander more than a defenseman anyways.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

At this point we need Nylander more than a defenseman anyways.

Sure, now...and you mean William, not Alex.

 

[Zman5778]

At this point we need Nylander more than a defenseman anyways.

At this point, absolutely. But at the time?

Also -- imagine we got Svechnikov or Kotkaniemi or Tkachuk and not Dahlin. Now we'd be imploring Botts to trade Nylander for a D that probably isn't in the McAvoy/Sergachev/Chychrun tier.

That decision from Murray (Nylander over one of the D) would truly be a killer right now.

 

[OkimLom]

At this point, absolutely. But at the time?

Also -- imagine we got Svechnikov or Kotkaniemi or Tkachuk and not Dahlin. Now we'd be imploring Botts to trade Nylander for a D that probably isn't in the McAvoy/Sergachev/Chychrun tier.

That decision from Murray (Nylander over one of the D) would truly be a killer right now.

IMO, we needed both. We had nobody in our forward ranks with elite skill, but we also needed some blueline help. I was fully on the Chychrun train for the year, and he was my preferred pick, but let's not act like Nylander was some reach at the time. He was drafted where he was pretty much slotted. I don't think it was a wrong pick, but I wouldn't have went that direction if I had a say.

But this board at the time of the draft, and the discussions about forward vs defenseman or need vs BPA, yikes...

 

[DJN21]

I would've passed on both Nylander and Mitts(even though hes grown on me). Defense always wins and people put too much hope in Risto. Dahlin was an afterthought so he doesn't really count. Our drafting has been abysmal in a ton of ways but is righting itself lately. Pekar, Samulesson, Guhle(even though I'm losing faith), Laaks, etc are shaping up far more quickly that prior picks. When we took Nylander I called him ennis at best and t this point that might be generous. Mitts will likely come around though some of the Dmen that draft are far more tantalizing. Is what it is...

 

[Aladyyn]

IMO, we needed both. We had nobody in our forward ranks with elite skill, but we also needed some blueline help. I was fully on the Chychrun train for the year, and he was my preferred pick, but let's not act like Nylander was some reach at the time. He was drafted where he was pretty much slotted. I don't think it was a wrong pick, but I wouldn't have went that direction if I had a say.

But this board at the time of the draft, and the discussions about forward vs defenseman or need vs BPA, yikes...

Nylander was actually supposed to be gone by the time we picked. Until Jarmo and Jimbo messed everything up.

 

[Zman5778]

IMO, we needed both. We had nobody in our forward ranks with elite skill, but we also needed some blueline help. I was fully on the Chychrun train for the year, and he was my preferred pick, but let's not act like Nylander was some reach at the time. He was drafted where he was pretty much slotted. I don't think it was a wrong pick, but I wouldn't have went that direction if I had a say.

But this board at the time of the draft, and the discussions about forward vs defenseman or need vs BPA, yikes...

Oh, you're absolutely right. Nylander wasn't a reach at all and was drafted right around where he should have been. I was more referring to my personal desire to take a Dman there (Chychrun was my #1 pick there as well, followed by Serg)

 

[HP00]

Yeah our secondary drafting especially has been lacking which is a tough pill to swallow because I remember like 10 years ago when half of our teams stars were late or later draft picks. I'm not too sure where the blame really lies, whether its the drafting itself or the development but theres obviously a problem somewhere.

 

[Icicle]

Doesn’t help when multiple 1sts and 2nds get traded away for... nothing that has survived.

 

[Reddawg]

Yeah our secondary drafting especially has been lacking which is a tough pill to swallow because I remember like 10 years ago when half of our teams stars were late or later draft picks. I'm not too sure where the blame really lies, whether its the drafting itself or the development but theres obviously a problem somewhere.

In 2008-09, our top six scorers (45+ points) were all first or second rounders, aside from Jaro Spacek who was a fifth.

Roy, Pominville, Vanek, Connolly, Stafford and Spacek.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

They've bricked all their 2nd and 3rd rounders for a while. As much as people don't want to hear it, that's more luck than anything.

 

[OkimLom]

They’ve still hit a lot. We haven’t had a pick like Pastrnak or McAvoy since I’ve been a fan.

The thing that impresses me most about Boston is their support players are so well coached and trained to be as "plug and play" as possible. They are just like Tampa in that regard, and it's looking teams like Nashville and Toronto are following suit, though at different levels.