Bold is not what I said nor can even be implied from what I said. In fact I said that we stand up for ourselves, which is the exact opposite of what you think I said. I presume you are referring to instances like this one where guys like MacKinnon and Rantanen are standing up for their teammates: Landeskog jumps Garland for no reason in an 8-3 game with 5 minutes left and rips his helmet off which MacKinnon proceeds to throw at his head for no reason. That is "standing up for your teammates" now? It's bush league crap that resulted in a fine and will likely be a suspension the next time. The last thing the Leafs need (or should want) to do is pull bush league crap. That doesn't win you games and we already get screwed by the refs enough as it is. Neither is taking guys like Landeskog and MacKinnon off the ice for extended periods of time because they got in a fight. If your actions are hurting the team, then it is not sticking up for your teammates. It's being a problem that needs to be fixed, and I am not arrogant for calling out bush league plays or actions that ultimately hurt the team as stupid. They are stupid, and I would hope that most fans would think so too. Crap happens in games. Every big hit or injustice does not require a guy from your team to go bash someone's face in or some major scrum. It's not going to stop them from continuing to happen. If anything, it will happen even more often because more often than not the perpetrators love when there is retaliation. If the hit is clean then get up and keep going. If you really don't like it, then be a man and stand up for yourself. Why do you need someone else to fight your battles? I bet your teammates would back you up. In fact, other than instances where a guy is hurt or is a goalie, the first guy who does something about something they don't like is the victim themselves... Which is often the case when guys like Kucherov get hit and does not like it. Otherwise, take a number and deal with it later or let it go and make them pay where it actually hurts: On the scoreboard. Or do what Muzzin did and find another way to get into a guy like Tkachuk's head and totally take them out of the game in a way that actually helps you win. As for some instances involving guys who are currently on our team: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXLzMpL_uA0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_gIIDWOAAM Not including any goalie or post-injury scrums/fights (or scrums in general because they are rarely tracked) because all teams including our own stand up for those guys, fights which were not in self defense (i.e. we initiated them or were retaliating for a big hit we delivered), or fights including guys who are not on our team anymore (i.e. Kapanen). Of course no fights from when guys like Simmonds played for other teams either. That seriously cuts down the list for pretty much any team, including the ones you just listed.