Does Nonis/Carlyle care any more about winning shootouts than previous mgmt/coaches?

[MrMazola]

The Leafs have been just about the worst team in the league at shootouts since they were introduced. This has probably cost the team 2-3 playoff berths since it was introduced as a consequence. Do you think anything will be done about this in the near future, or do you think the management and coaching content to look down their noses at the 'skills competition' even if it means more years out of the playoffs?

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[cujoflutie]

you can go on about how they'd have their priorities out of order but i'd prefer they focus on aspects which will help them in the HOCKEY part of the game rather than the skills competition.

 

[egd27]

The Leafs have been just about the worst team in the league at shootouts since they were introduced. This has probably cost the team 2-3 playoff berths since it was introduced as a consequence. Do you think anything will be done about this in the near future, or do you think the management and coaching content to look down their noses at the 'stills competition' even if it means more years out of the playoffs?

Our goaltending has been pretty weak overall since the SO was introduced, probably has more to do with it than the shooters. as you seem to be implying.

 

[cujoflutie]

Our goaltending has been pretty weak overall since the SO was introduced, probably has more to do with it than the shooters. as you seem to be implying.

well we did just shoot 1 for 10 so you can't put that jets one on the goalie.

 

[Drew311]

Man people can make a thread about anything these days.

 

[DD03]

 

[Stephen]

They need one European winger specialist in the shootout. Possibly a Swede.

 

[MrMazola]

you can go on about how they'd have their priorities out of order but i'd prefer they focus on aspects which will help them in the HOCKEY part of the game rather than the skills competition.

3 Points we've squandered so far by the coaches/mgmt thinking the same thing about the shootout. I've got news, for you, it's as much a part of the game as faceoffs, and it's not going anywhere anytime soon. I guess they are like you and think if they ignore it, the shootout will magically go away.

Hope you enjoy the Leafs arrogantly continuing to give away points on a regular basis.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

The Leafs have been just about the worst team in the league at shootouts since they were introduced. This has probably cost the team 2-3 playoff berths since it was introduced as a consequence. Do you think anything will be done about this in the near future, or do you think the management and coaching content to look down their noses at the 'skills competition' even if it means more years out of the playoffs?

I wonder why the Leafs have been so bad?

I'm gonna say it's because we haven't had a goalie since Belfour who anyone on an opposing team was worried about being able to beat them.

You put Reimer vs Miller and Miller is going to win 9/10 times in a shootout.

This doesn't mean we should trade the farm for Luongo or some other older goalie. The shootout is only a concern in the regular season and so far it's been a tiny percentage of Leafs games.

It's simply an ongoing weakness that will hopefully get solved as this team matures over the next few years.

 

[catgoldfish]

I wonder why the Leafs have been so bad?

I'm gonna say it's because we haven't had a goalie since Belfour who anyone on an opposing team was worried about being able to beat them.

You put Reimer vs Miller and Miller is going to win 9/10 times in a shootout.

This doesn't mean we should trade the farm for Luongo or some other older goalie. The shootout is only a concern in the regular season and so far it's been a tiny percentage of Leafs games.

It's simply an ongoing weakness that will hopefully get solved as this team matures over the next few years.

Damn straight.........The biggest reason why we're losing is our crappy goaltending! Our defense isn't any better but our goalies don't steal wins for us since the Belfour/Cujo days. When we need a big save or just to hang onto a lead it just doesn't happen. Reimer/Scrivens isn't working out anymore.

 

[Tak7]

you can go on about how they'd have their priorities out of order but i'd prefer they focus on aspects which will help them in the HOCKEY part of the game rather than the skills competition.

My biggest issue with the shootout is that people are still calling it a "skills competition".

It's no more or less a "skills" judgment than 5 on 5 hockey, or 4 on 4 overtime. At the end of the day, you are still trying to put the puck in the back of the net. A skills competition would be trying to ice the puck into the net on the other side of the rink while blindfolded and on a horse.

The shootout? It's not a skills competition. You and I and everyone else might not like it anymore, but at the end of the day it's apart of the game and it's something that the team needs to improve on.

As the OP said, there are valuable points won & lost every night because of the shootout - it's not an element of the game that can just be ignored.

 

[34]

Leafs can't win a shoot out because their goaltending is the worst in the NHL.

Reimer has to go.

And yes, of coarse the coach cares but what can he do? He is stuck with what he has to work with.

 

[LeafsandSharksfan]

Nonis I can't imagine caring about it, Carlyle might run some practice but honestly I think there's better things to be working on.

 

[MoeMoney]

I hate the shoot-out in any sport, terrible way to lose a game. Love Ken Hollands idea to extend OT, 10 min of 4-4 hockey is very exciting. And no you can't prepare for a shoot-out like that, Leafs have Kessel, JVR, Grabovski, Kadri, Lupul, all snipers. Maybe they should practice it more though because if they miss the playoffs again cause of this I'm gonna be pissed.

 

[SpeakerForTheDead]

3 Points we've squandered so far by the coaches/mgmt thinking the same thing about the shootout. I've got news, for you, it's as much a part of the game as faceoffs, and it's not going anywhere anytime soon. I guess they are like you and think if they ignore it, the shootout will magically go away.

Hope you enjoy the Leafs arrogantly continuing to give away points on a regular basis.

What proof do you have that the coaches don't care about it? Have they ever said they don't care about it? Do you watch the practices to see if they work on it? We have only been in 3 shootouts, way too small a sample size to determine anything. Maybe those 3 teams were just better than us at it.

 

[MoeMoney]

There is no strategy in the SO, did you see how Ott scored? He just took off and rushed the net and shot it.

 

[Al14]

you can go on about how they'd have their priorities out of order but i'd prefer they focus on aspects which will help them in the HOCKEY part of the game rather than the skills competition.

The shootout has become a very important part of a hockey game!!!

The number of points we're giving away, by losing in the shootout, will come back to bite us.

At least one of the assistant coaches should be assigned to study the shootout portion of all games decided by this so called 'skills' competition. We need to be able to know goalie and player tendencies including strengths and weaknesses. We need to start coaching our players through these game deciding shootouts. Right now it appears to be trial and error with no effective planning or execution!

Let's start taking this abomination seriously even if we don't like it.

 

[blue82]

the shootout is complete BS..lets not build around something that will probably be gone soon...lets get rid of it..the overtime was way more exciting

 

[Penalty Kill Icing*]

They are preparing for playoffs, therefore they are not preparing for shootouts.

 

[Al14]

the shootout is complete BS..lets not build around something that will probably be gone soon...lets get rid of it..the overtime was way more exciting

As long as Bettman is in charge, the shootout is here to stay IMHO.

The only hope we have to get rid of it, is to have a Canadian as commissioner of the NHL. Even then, it might be difficult to get it eliminated.

I prefer sudden death overtime to decide a tied game at the end of regulation.

If the shootout HAS to stay, I would prefer that it take place before the game is played at the end of the warmup. That way the team that loses the shootout is then forced to try and win the game outright in regulation time or overtime. I think it would improve the quality of the game at the end of the 3rd period and overtime.

The other benefit is that all games would have an individual 'skills' competition to begin the game.

JMHO.

 

[Peasy]

2-3 playoff berths, lol i stopped reading there.

 

[Burke]

2-3 playoff berths, lol i stopped reading there.

Perhaps you should read more often then. The shootout was introduced in 2005-06. We finished 9th in the conference in 05-06 and 06-07. In 05-06 we missed by 2 points and only 1 point in 06-07. 3 playoff births might be pushing it but yes, a better shootout peformance would of given us 2 more playoff births.

 

[blue82]

As long as Bettman is in charge, the shootout is here to stay IMHO.

The only hope we have to get rid of it, is to have a Canadian as commissioner of the NHL. Even then, it might be difficult to get it eliminated.

I prefer sudden death overtime to decide a tied game at the end of regulation.

If the shootout HAS to stay, I would prefer that it take place before the game is played at the end of the warmup. That way the team that loses the shootout is then forced to try and win the game outright in regulation time or overtime. I think it would improve the quality of the game at the end of the 3rd period and overtime.

The other benefit is that all games would have an individual 'skills' competition to begin the game.

JMHO.

interesting suggestion..but i think the team that won the shootout will go into some defense mode so it will cancel out everything..i really think they should just go 4-4 and ride it out till someone scores..like seriously how long does bettmen think the game will last? anyone watch baseball? these games go 4 hours and then extra innings go even longer...if by chance we were ever going to see a prolonged 4 on 4 overtime it would probably be the greatest hour in all sports to watch

 

[egd27]

well we did just shoot 1 for 10 so you can't put that jets one on the goalie.

No, didn't mean to imply that any one game was the fault of a goalie. I was trying to illustrate that over the larger sample of 8 years of shootouts, our goaltending has been historically weak, which has contributed to the poor overall record.

 

[MajorityRules*]

Alright, other than having a more competent goalie (and I don't even buy that really) what exactly do propose Nonis do to address this? Should we start signing players based only on their ability to score in the shootout? When the playoffs role around, do we sit them the entire time. Maybe we can find that 10 year old kid with all the nifty moves and sign him to an ELC.

The shootout sucks and shouldn't be in hockey. I said it back when they introduced it and I still say it now. Games should not be decided by a 1 on 1 competition. For what it's worth, Kadri usually looks pretty damn good in the shootout. Maybe we can clone him.